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S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
Viper1 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:

Combine the two circumstances.  Not exactly the target audience and certainly poorly handled development/marketing on Nintendo consoles.


I've played Black Ops 2 on the Wii U. The game was fine. Its the best looking version of the game. Most gamers who play third party core titles moved from Nintendo fifteen years ago. Its Nintendos job to get them to come back. They've failed at that. Most of the primary titles purchased for the Wii U are first party. Nintendo has had strong sales for three straight consoles solidly on first party. Being that the Wii is no longer around Just Dance is going to drop in sales.

I think you missed the part that began with how they poorly handled development and marketing of the series on Nintendo consoles since the beginning.  Meaning that they failed to generate a fan base so by the time they did manage to develop a quality version, any hope of doing well was long gone.

And don't tell me that Nintendo failed to generate a fan base for CoD fans before CoD even became a series because I already acknowledged the target audience was mismatched and you can't fail to establish a player base for a product that doesn't even yet exist.


I understand you, but really, I don't think they failed to market the game. The generation is winding down and part of the market is being segmented from console to console. I read somewhere that COD sold 25% less than expected.



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Viper1 on 27 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:

I think you missed the part that began with how they poorly handled development and marketing of the series on Nintendo consoles since the beginning.  Meaning that they failed to generate a fan base so by the time they did manage to develop a quality version, any hope of doing well was long gone.

And don't tell me that Nintendo failed to generate a fan base for CoD fans before CoD even became a series because I already acknowledged the target audience was mismatched and you can't fail to establish a player base for a product that doesn't even yet exist.


I understand you, but really, I don't think they failed to market the game. The generation is winding down and part of the market is being segmented from console to console. I read somewhere that COD sold 25% less than expected.

Indeed the demand for the series is finally receeding.   However, the series has always been very poorly marketed on Nintendo consoles.  Often times not even being revealed until just a few months prior to release and then missing in the majority of TV, print and online advertising.

As a journalist, I've been to Activisions' press parties, received their press kits and seen how they internally push each SKU.  Nintendo was never given any attention at the press parties, was barely mentioned in their press packages and kits and practically didn't even acknowledge a Wii U SKU even existed until longer after development began on other consoles.

And don't forget that Infinity Ward never touched those consoles.  Even now Treyarch still handles the Wii U iterations.



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Damian.W on 27 December 2013

I wouldn't really go out and say they will drop it altogether. Most likely they will continue with games that are relatively cheap to make or do not depend on online features as much. Ghosts for Wii U was alright, and the included wii controls were nice. Considering the development team size, it should be profitable enough.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
Viper1 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:

I think you missed the part that began with how they poorly handled development and marketing of the series on Nintendo consoles since the beginning.  Meaning that they failed to generate a fan base so by the time they did manage to develop a quality version, any hope of doing well was long gone.

And don't tell me that Nintendo failed to generate a fan base for CoD fans before CoD even became a series because I already acknowledged the target audience was mismatched and you can't fail to establish a player base for a product that doesn't even yet exist.


I understand you, but really, I don't think they failed to market the game. The generation is winding down and part of the market is being segmented from console to console. I read somewhere that COD sold 25% less than expected.

Indeed the demand for the series is finally receeding.   However, the series has always been very poorly marketed on Nintendo consoles.  Often times not even being revealed until just a few months prior to release and then missing in the majority of TV, print and online advertising.

As a journalist, I've been to Activisions' press parties, received their press kits and seen how they internally push each SKU.  Nintendo was never given any attention at the press parties, was barely mentioned in their press packages and kits and practically didn't even acknowledge a Wii U SKU even existed until longer after development began on other consoles.

And don't forget that Infinity Ward never touched those consoles.  Even now Treyarch still handles the Wii U iterations.

Wouldn't you say Microsoft invests a lot into their relationship with Activision, creating commercials for COD with the Xbox banner showing at the end? I've seen more MS backed COD commercials than any other brand. If its truly Microsofts dollars that are behind those commercials in tandem with Activision wouldn't you say Sony and Nintendo should do the same?



ice on 27 December 2013

I can see games like Skylanders still getting Wii U ports as they sell reasonably well and "fit" the Wii U audience. Not sure if it's worth continuing to port over the COD games. Ghost still hasn't hit 100k



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think-man on 27 December 2013

Well too be fair I bet more than just Acti will be looking to drop support for it, the sales for 3rd party are just dreadful to be frank.



 

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Serious_frusting on 27 December 2013
TheGhosts said:
It´s Activision´s own fault that Call of Duty: Ghosts for the Nintendo Wii U does not sell good because their not supporting the Nintendo Wii U version, and they announced that before the game was released!!! And because DLC is very important for Call of Duty: Ghosts gamers, no one purchased the Nintendo Wii U version which has no DLC!!!

Bolded.

 

If that was the case then any version not named xbox would do pretty bad. 

XBOX DLC first. ALWAYS.

cod ps4>>>>>>cod xbone when it comes to sales. Its the nintedo demographic not Activsions fault. I would pull cod support all together. How can they make mone with such ow sales?



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Viper1 on 27 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:

Indeed the demand for the series is finally receeding.   However, the series has always been very poorly marketed on Nintendo consoles.  Often times not even being revealed until just a few months prior to release and then missing in the majority of TV, print and online advertising.

As a journalist, I've been to Activisions' press parties, received their press kits and seen how they internally push each SKU.  Nintendo was never given any attention at the press parties, was barely mentioned in their press packages and kits and practically didn't even acknowledge a Wii U SKU even existed until longer after development began on other consoles.

And don't forget that Infinity Ward never touched those consoles.  Even now Treyarch still handles the Wii U iterations.

Wouldn't you say Microsoft invests a lot into their relationship with Activision, creating commercials for COD with the Xbox banner showing at the end? I've seen more MS backed COD commercials than any other brand. If its truly Microsofts dollars that are behind those commercials in tandem with Activision wouldn't you say Sony and Nintendo should do the same?

That's a separate factor.  There is internal marketing and then external partner marketing.  MS does indeed do more external partner marketing for Activisions' CoD than do either Sony and Nintendo.  However, that doesn't alter the fact that Nintendo gets far less internal marketing than do Sony and MS.  And by a very long shot.  I can attest to this from my experiences going to Activion press events and being told they would nto talk ro answer any questions regarding anything to do with the Nintendo SKU.  Would it benefit Nintendo some to extend a marketing olive branch to Activision for CoD?  Probably not.  That ship sailed many years ago.  But we know Nintendo is willing to do it as evidenced by the Skylanders bundle and marketing.  But that goes back to target audience and having not fucked up the brand development and growth of the IP for the console to begin with as was done with CoD.



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curl-6 on 27 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Once the PS3 and Xbox 360 stop getting support the doors to the Wii U will also be closed. Activision will be apart of that and the COD sales on the Wii u as they said was inexcusable.

COD's current sales on Wii U are the result of how badly he series has been handled on Wii/Wii U.


Wrong crowd. Plain and simple. Enough with the excuses.

Not excuses, reasons. COD once sold better on Wii than PS3. Then COD4 skipped the Wii. Then, when Nintendo gamers finally thought they'd get equal treatment on Wii U, they didn't, and were lied to about DLC. Nintendo gamers have had enough of Activision jerking them around.



oniyide on 27 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Viper1 said:

I think you missed the part that began with how they poorly handled development and marketing of the series on Nintendo consoles since the beginning.  Meaning that they failed to generate a fan base so by the time they did manage to develop a quality version, any hope of doing well was long gone.

And don't tell me that Nintendo failed to generate a fan base for CoD fans before CoD even became a series because I already acknowledged the target audience was mismatched and you can't fail to establish a player base for a product that doesn't even yet exist.


I understand you, but really, I don't think they failed to market the game. The generation is winding down and part of the market is being segmented from console to console. I read somewhere that COD sold 25% less than expected.

Indeed the demand for the series is finally receeding.   However, the series has always been very poorly marketed on Nintendo consoles.  Often times not even being revealed until just a few months prior to release and then missing in the majority of TV, print and online advertising.

As a journalist, I've been to Activisions' press parties, received their press kits and seen how they internally push each SKU.  Nintendo was never given any attention at the press parties, was barely mentioned in their press packages and kits and practically didn't even acknowledge a Wii U SKU even existed until longer after development began on other consoles.

And don't forget that Infinity Ward never touched those consoles.  Even now Treyarch still handles the Wii U iterations.

Wouldn't you say Microsoft invests a lot into their relationship with Activision, creating commercials for COD with the Xbox banner showing at the end? I've seen more MS backed COD commercials than any other brand. If its truly Microsofts dollars that are behind those commercials in tandem with Activision wouldn't you say Sony and Nintendo should do the same?


Sony has gotten the short end of the ad stick too and DLC, but they still manage to do well on those platforms. While its not as bad as NINTY systems, by this logic PS3 version shouldnt even sell as well as it does, but it does despite MS deals, so that can only lead to the conclusion that one HAS to take accoun that the demographics or so different on Ninty consoles, of course people who dont like this argument and cover their ears will keep blaming Activision