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Dgc1808 on 19 December 2013

Sounds like a good move on Namco's part.



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areason on 19 December 2013
LurkerJ said:
areason said:
LurkerJ said:

Asked whether From Software and Namco ever considered a Wii U port, Miyazoe bluntly replies: “No.” When asked why, he explodes with laughter. “Wii U never came up, and we never doubted that (decision) either,” he says. “It was more of a company decision, so I wasn’t the one that decided this, but I think the audience for the Wii U is a lot different from the audience for Dark Souls.”


http://www.edge-online.com/features/dark-souls-producer-says-pc-version-was-rushed-problems-were-expected/

I don't get the mentalitly. I get why developers are hesitant to jump on the Wii U but even if the Wii U was a success it wouldn't have changed their minds. Wii didn't dark souls despite being an ugly game. Of course there is no audience for Dark souls when there is no Dark Souls.

I am exploding with laughter.

It's not like Dark Souls has SO MANY FANS on the HD consoles. It sold 2 millions combined on both, PS3 and X360.

160 million install base and it only managed to shift 2 million copies despite being a critical hit. Why was there no Wii version? The game is ugly and it fits the Wii controls. I would've tested the waters with a Wii version at least.


Yes if it sells 2 million a 160 million instal base to an audience that loves such types of games, it isn't going to sell at all to a 5 million install base to an audience who prefer cartoony-ish platformers/party games instead of rpgs that make your balls bleed. 

I found it much harder to finish cartoonish platformers than finishing the fucking brainless platformer that was Tomb Raider.  Wii games difficulty level is a BRIDGE to games like Dark Souls.

The tomb raider reboot wasn't a platformer. The mere fact that you compare other games to the difficulty of dark souls shows that you know nothing about the game. 



LurkerJ on 19 December 2013
Boutros said:
LurkerJ said:
Boutros said:
LurkerJ said:
It's not like Dark Souls has SO MANY FANS on the HD consoles. It sold 2 millions combined on both, PS3 and X360.

160 million install base and it only managed 2 millions despite being a critical hit. Why was there no Wii version? The game is ugly and it fits the Wii controls. I would've tested the waters with a Wii version at least.

Is this really a question?

Yes, it is. Wii U is an unmatched failure, don't make games for it. What about the Wii?

The late PC BROKEN version port sold 300k and it's getting the Dark Souls 2. I would've made it for the Wii if 300k copies on PC were enough to guarantee a sequel.

Have you not considered that Dark Souls does not run on the Wii?

They'd have to actually make a weaker version of their own game. Who actually wants to do that?

And they're not Activision. They don't have a lot of ressources. A Wii port demands development time and it requires programmers to actually understand the Wii hardware. All of that is money. And time. Time that can be used to make Dark Souls II (where profit is far more guaranteed). Making it on the Wii is actually a financial risk for them.

That's true for games like Tomb raider, Hitman, AssCreed, or any other game with extremely high budget. Dark Souls however, doesn't need to sell as many copies. Sure, there is a risk. But just how risky was it to release a game like Dark souls on the Wii?

PS3 hardware was very different from the X360's. But they took their time with it.



jlmurph2 on 19 December 2013

Well yeah he's right. It seems like the only games you guys care about are cartoon-like platformers and JRPGs.



DanneSandin on 19 December 2013

Come on! He's right you know. Most Nintendo fans DON'T care for these kind of games, at least not enough to make a difference on the low install base the Wii U currently has.



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Wright on 19 December 2013
LurkerJ said:

That's true for games like Tomb raider, Hitman, AssCreed, or any other game with extremely high budget. Dark Souls however, doesn't need to sell as many copies. Sure, there is a risk. But just how risky was it to release a game like Dark souls on the Wii?

PS3 hardware was very different from the X360's. But they took their time with it.


I doubt the Wii can't handle a game that falls from 10 fps in certain areas, at least on the 360 version.

 

What about the online infraestructure? They basically would have needed to redo that too.



Xen on 19 December 2013
Wright said:
LurkerJ said:

That's true for games like Tomb raider, Hitman, AssCreed, or any other game with extremely high budget. Dark Souls however, doesn't need to sell as many copies. Sure, there is a risk. But just how risky was it to release a game like Dark souls on the Wii?

PS3 hardware was very different from the X360's. But they took their time with it.


I doubt the Wii can't handle a game that falls from 10 fps in certain areas, at least on the 360 version.

 

What about the online infraestructure? They basically would have needed to redo that too.

...framerate issues on PS3,360, and PC, thank you



Wright on 19 December 2013
Xen said:
Wright said:
LurkerJ said:

That's true for games like Tomb raider, Hitman, AssCreed, or any other game with extremely high budget. Dark Souls however, doesn't need to sell as many copies. Sure, there is a risk. But just how risky was it to release a game like Dark souls on the Wii?

PS3 hardware was very different from the X360's. But they took their time with it.


I doubt the Wii can't handle a game that falls from 10 fps in certain areas, at least on the 360 version.

 

What about the online infraestructure? They basically would have needed to redo that too.

...framerate issues on PS3,360, and PC, thank you


Heh.  I guess Blighttown hit us all, hard. xD



Talal on 19 December 2013
Xen said:
LurkerJ said:

Yes, it is. Wii U is an unmatched failure, don't make games for it. What about the Wii?

The late PC BROKEN version port sold 300k and it's getting the Dark Souls 2. I would've made it for the Wii if 300k copies on PC were enough to guarantee a sequel.

It's been patched, now it's quite perfect.

The game is also not at all ugly, even if perfectly within the capabilities of the Wii U. Bottom line, get it for PS3/360/PC if that's a game you want.

edit: I missed the fact that it's actually the original Wii you're talking about. Lol, no. The game manages framerate issues on the PS3 and PC (no idea of X360), I wonder how much of a downgrade it'd need to be hit with to run at least like that on the Wii. But Boutros already said it best.


It's still pretty much unplayable without a controller or mods for the keyboard and mouse.



LurkerJ on 19 December 2013
areason said:
LurkerJ said:
areason said:
LurkerJ said:

Asked whether From Software and Namco ever considered a Wii U port, Miyazoe bluntly replies: “No.” When asked why, he explodes with laughter. “Wii U never came up, and we never doubted that (decision) either,” he says. “It was more of a company decision, so I wasn’t the one that decided this, but I think the audience for the Wii U is a lot different from the audience for Dark Souls.”


http://www.edge-online.com/features/dark-souls-producer-says-pc-version-was-rushed-problems-were-expected/

I don't get the mentalitly. I get why developers are hesitant to jump on the Wii U but even if the Wii U was a success it wouldn't have changed their minds. Wii didn't dark souls despite being an ugly game. Of course there is no audience for Dark souls when there is no Dark Souls.

I am exploding with laughter.

It's not like Dark Souls has SO MANY FANS on the HD consoles. It sold 2 millions combined on both, PS3 and X360.

160 million install base and it only managed to shift 2 million copies despite being a critical hit. Why was there no Wii version? The game is ugly and it fits the Wii controls. I would've tested the waters with a Wii version at least.


Yes if it sells 2 million a 160 million instal base to an audience that loves such types of games, it isn't going to sell at all to a 5 million install base to an audience who prefer cartoony-ish platformers/party games instead of rpgs that make your balls bleed. 

I found it much harder to finish cartoonish platformers than finishing the fucking brainless platformer that was Tomb Raider.  Wii games difficulty level is a BRIDGE to games like Dark Souls.

The tomb raider reboot wasn't a platformer. The mere fact that you compare other games to the difficulty of dark souls shows that you know nothing about the game. 

What. You said that Dark Soul difficulty would repel Wii owners. That's not true. The games you described as cartoonish can be a lot harder and more challanging than those on the PS360. Definitely harder than games like Tomb Raider, AssCreed, Prince of Persia just to name a few.