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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 December 2013
bigtakilla said:
Yeah, I think the op is completely off on this one. The Wii U is trying yet again to provide different ways to play a game. That's Nintendo's thing. If you take that away then what would be the draw for people too the Wii U? It would still have the stigma of being a "kiddie" console, so it still wouldn't draw PSand Xbox fans to it, but it would also remove those people interested in buying the Wii U out of curiosity of the gamepad. You would also remove off tv play which is a LOT of peoples (including myself) draw to the console. Granted Iove Nintendo's first party, but it's still an advantage over the other systems.

As far as I see it, I just think the Wii U needs those new titles that the Wii had but make them exclusive. Like say a good Crystal Bearers game, a new No More Heroes, Mad World, Last Story 2, Pandoras Tower 2, it's getting Bayonetta 2, just some continuations of games or first time games that are known and loved, but in HD and give it the online support the original Wii never could.

The bottom line is there is a pro controller available, do you really think that $50 difference will sway the truely interested in the console? I do not.


Show a non-gamer the Wii U controller and the possibilities of the Wii mote and figure out which one they will buy. The simpler the larger your demographic. The tablet controller is too complex for casuals because they do not care to invest a proper amount of time into learning. Gaming evolved without them and they will only try it out if its in an infantile state like the Wii. Thats where the Wii succeeded. To bring games down to actions and simplicity. The Wii U is anything but that.



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DerNebel on 16 December 2013
Zero999 said:
DerNebel said:
Zero999 said:

laughable.

Laughable because...?

because wii u is not $350 and ps4k/xone aren't "superior consoles", duh.

Ok, so it's $300. But how is the Wii U not an inferior product from a technical standpoint?



enditall727 on 16 December 2013
theshonen8899 said:
Wow! You presented a lot of information that everyone else on this forum has already thought of!

YOOOOOOO i didn't get what you meant by this at 1st lol

I swear i did not see the other threads by Purple and Padib before making this thread LMAO!

I've been wanting to make this thread for a good while but never got around to doing it until now. The only recent threads i've looked at recently were the "Games you can't remember the names of " and the "gamestop ps4 " threads

 

I only just noticed the other threads a couple seconds ago after looking in the Nintendo section

 

I couldn't tell if you were trying to be sarcastic or not but now i know =P



enditall727 on 16 December 2013
d21lewis said:
Personally, I loved the Wii. It had its place on my entertainment center next to the 360 and PS3. The problem is, for many of the people I've met, they got tired of the Wii waaaaay before the gen ended. I was talking to a guy at work about the new consoles and the Wii U. He said, "Yeah, my (I don't remember which relative) got one of those Wii's. We probably played with that thing for a day."

It was a very popular system but a lot of people that bought it felt burned. They were kinda tricked into it. Pretty much every girl I dated this year had a Wii and some exercise games gathering dust on the shelves. One of my co-workers bought a Wii for his fat kids because "It's better than just sitting there with a controller in their hands" and his kids are still fat. The Wii was the greatest trick the devil ever pulled. I'm serious. Yeah, it had great games and a lot of those games were the most successful of the entire gen. Still doesn't change the fact that people got screwed. I can admit this. It was time to pay the devil his due.

So, like the DS, the Wii name was mega popular. Unlike the DS, the Wii failed to deliver for a lot of people. So, was Nintendo supposed to distance itself from the Wii name--their best selling home console, ever? Nope. Like the 3DS continued the DS name and dropped the "Gameboy", the Wii U tried to build off of the Wii name. The Wii name is kinda shit right now.

Same goes for Xbox One and Kinect. Kinect was the fastest selling electronic item ever or some shit like that. I loved Kinect. I still play it. A lot of people got burned with Microsoft's promises for Kinect 1.0. They aren't especially excited about a Kinect 2.0, even if it does deliver this time. The sins of the father are payed for by the child.


I've noticed this aswell

 

I was contemplating how Nintendo could keep the momentum from dieing as quickly while still keeping a similar mold to the original Wii. 

and although it didn't keep everybodies attention, there were still a bus load of people who enjoyed it the full way through.

 

I never really expected the Wii U to match the success of the Wii but i was expecting it to just be similar.

 

also, I just went back and looked at New Super Mario Bros Wii U sales compared to New Super Mario Bros Wii and i almost passed out when i looked at the 1st 10 weeks of NSMBW lol. I never really noticed how crazy that bad boy sold. I can't remember if it was bundled with every console or not though. That game sold like that because it had a platform to thrive on.



AZWification on 16 December 2013
Soundwave said:

They need to get to $199. No one is paying $350 for a Wii U, no matter what controller you throw in the box.

   $350? I think you meant $300.



                
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enditall727 on 16 December 2013
padib said:
enditall727 said:

Edit: I tried to make this as fast as possible so i might have made some mistakes

You are on to something, but a business would have to be incredibly smart and foresighted to invest heavily into R&D of a gamepad which requires a built-in design and API only to offer it as a peripheral. It's the smarter move but after investing all that money, it clearly isn't the most obvious one.

Also, the second challenge to this idea is that the PS3 had move so just upgrading the Wii to HD graphics and pushing motion+ was a very risky idea. Ultimately, Apple made the iPad and iPhone madly popular, so in the en the fundamental solution to all this is games and marketing. Making the tablet a peripheral would have helped, but the root problem is god-aweful marketing, pricing and the library is weak compared to the Wii.

You and Purple have ninja'd me HARD lol

 

but now that i think about it, i guess they made the Gamepad partly because of how the Ipad was doing and i dont blame Nintendo for that but it still should've been a peripheral instead of the main controller.

I most likely would've happily bought the Gamepad seperately to play Nintendoland. Now that the Gamepad is the main controller, i kinda have a grudge against it and will IMMEDIATELY go out of my way to get a Wii Mote along with a Pro Controller(solely for Smash Bros).

 

At this point, i'm sure everybody at Nintendo knows that the Gamepad isn't really bringing anything to the table as the main controller. They have to make sacrifices. They may get criticised but it is what it is. Nintendo fans have heard it all before.

 

The Move was never going to get that far because Sony is not going to keep it in mind for all their games. Nintendo would've been fine. The only bad thing you would here is "oh i thought Nintendo was supposed to be innovative? They're using the same controller" or "Nintendo still doesn't have the main 3rd parties just like last gen", "Yet again, the Nintendo is getting a bunch of shovelware just like the Wii" and all that other stuff. I would rather take success and hearing those things being said rather than having a "different and innovative" Wii U that is struggling on almost all fronts

 

I also believe that the exclusion of the Gamepad would've allowed for a more flexible price on both sides (cheaper for consumers and an easily profitable system for Nintendo). Their would be more games currently in it's library along with a lot more on the horizon. I would take shovelware with gems over a very limited library anyday.

 

and i'm actually glad that they didn't advertise the Wii U that much at this point. I don't want them to advertise the Wii U until they bring the damn Wii Mote back. There are still aot of people who are shockingly unaware of the Wii U



enditall727 on 16 December 2013
spurgeonryan said:
I agree with D21's second post.

A lot of people were tricked by the Wii.

I would also like to say to the OP that the Wii mote sucked! I am glad it is not the focal point anymore.


I didn't know that you didn't like the Wii Mote. ..sucks to hear that but the Wii Mote still brought excitement to Nintendo and pretty much helped Nintendo sculpt a market where their games and some other 3rd party games coud thrive.

 

If the Nintendo did bring back the Wii Mote, you would still be able to get a GamePad or Pro controller

 

Everybody could be happy then



Max King of the Wild on 16 December 2013
ZabuzaXtreme said:
Lower the price even more. Nobody gonna paid $350 just like soundwave said when you could get a PS4 or Xbox One a superior console


Its 300 not 350. And the gamecube cut its price in half before 2 years and that didnt help much. If people dont have an interest in something and dont want it then it doesnt matter how cheap it is. 



Zero999 on 16 December 2013
DerNebel said:
Zero999 said:

because wii u is not $350 and ps4k/xone aren't "superior consoles", duh.

Ok, so it's $300. But how is the Wii U not an inferior product from a technical standpoint?

invisible technical standpoint. are you blind? he said "superior consoles" and there is no such thing. the general audience couldn't care less about wich console has somewhat stronger specs.



Seece on 16 December 2013
Zero999 said:
DerNebel said:
Zero999 said:

because wii u is not $350 and ps4k/xone aren't "superior consoles", duh.

Ok, so it's $300. But how is the Wii U not an inferior product from a technical standpoint?

invisible technical standpoint. are you blind? he said "superior consoles" and there is no such thing. the general audience couldn't care less about wich console has somewhat stronger specs.

I agree.

The mass market, gamers ect all still agree the WiiU is inferior though, it's not selling anywhere near XB1/PS4 and is below Dreamcast and Gamecube.