By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales - WiiU sells ~220k, Mario 215k in November. 3DS 770k, Zelda 405k (NPD USA) - Nintendo

fatslob-:O on 12 December 2013
osed125 said:
fatslob-:O said:
osed125 said:

They won't drop the Wii U so early, it will be a suicide (even more than keep selling the console). 2016 will the earliest.

They might as well drop it in early 2015 seeing that the WII U will be largely irrelevant at that time. There's essentially nothing nintendo can do to save the sinking ship. They won't just turn it around like they did with the 3DS because nintendo keeps giving the wrong games for the WII U. The WII U is truly a doomed console. 

Dropping early 2015 would mean one big thing: losing costumers and investors trust. Look at it this way, if Nintendo drops the Wii U early 2015 that would mean no Zelda for the Wii U, you realize what would that mean? First: pissing off your fanbase, which won't buy your next console. Second: losing all the money you invested in the game's development. 

I used Zelda as an example but this applies to any game. Nintendo strategy imo should be this: keep the 2014 lineup as it is, after that make "small" games, have only Zelda and maybe some few other games as big AAA tittles, the rest should be games with small development time and small costs (but not to the point of indie, I'm talking DKC or 3D World levels), have a steady flow of games during 2015 and 2016, and in 2017 launch the new console.

Of course what I mentioned won't make the Wii U sell well (probably nothing will), but it will at least be profitable, will keep the small fanbase happy and investors probably won't complain that much.

I win.

Well since you acknowledged that nothing will make the WII U rise up why should nintendo keep pleasing their hardcore fans if their not even going to get a big profit. If I were nintendo I would let go of the WII U and go on to making a successor to the WII and not the gamecube. The WII U is essentially a gamecube 2.0. I would bring back motion controls for the next nintendo console and start by giving a massive budget to 2D mario while bundling it with the WII. 



Around the Network
carlos710 on 12 December 2013
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Let's make a comparison of what was available on the Gamecube and Wii U systems one year after launch:

 


Lol, GC lineup was much better is not even funny.

 

I'm not worried in the least about Nintendo dropping the WiiU. If anything I think at some point they could make an OS update and drop the bundled gamepad and only sell it as an accesory.

They also have several AAA games coming next year. They could release a gamepad-less Wii U for $200 or so... I think there are plenty of gamers who would jump at the opportunity of playing some of the best games of this generation at such low price.



carlos710 - Capitán Primero: Nintendo Defense Force

"Wii are legion, for Wii are many"

zorg1000 on 12 December 2013
Roar_Of_War said:

The 3DS is still doing good. Shame on VGchartz for overtracking by -that- much. That's why people don't respect their numbers.

 

ALBW also still did good. For 8 days those are good numbers, especially competiting with Pokemon. Mario is doing pretty badly, on the other hand. It's literally the only Wii U game selling right now.


Maybe having NSMBU+Luigi U bundled is hurting 3D World sales?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

superhippy420 on 12 December 2013
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Let's make a comparison of what was available on the Gamecube and Wii U systems about one year after launch:

 

Gamecube

- Super Mario Sunshine (Full fledged 3D Mario title. Brand new gameplay concept.)

- The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (Brand new Zelda adventure.)

- Luigi's Mansion (Brand new series.)

- Animal Crossing (Brand new series.)

- Metroid Prime (Brand new take on the Metroid series.)

- Star Fox Adventures (Brand new take on the Star Fox series.)

- Mario Party 4 (Old concept. But great system seller nonetheless.)

- Super Smash Bros. Melee (Best selling Gamecube game. Widely praised for its gameplay.)

 

Wii U

- Nintendo Land (Brand new series with several new gameplay aspects.)

- New Super Mario Bros. U (Previous entries were released for the DS, Wii and 3DS systems.)

- New Super Mario 3D World (One previous entry found on the 3DS system.)

- The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (Port with some improvements.)

- ZombieU (New concept. Low mass appeal.)

- Pikmin 3 (Sequel to a declining sub 2 million franchise.)

- Lego City Undercover (New take on an existing series. Weak as a system seller.)

- Monster Hunter Tri (Widely established series... In Japan.)

 

Now imagine that you, or any consumer for that matter, never owned any of the two consoles and ask yourselves which one looks more appealing. Also keeping in mind that the Gamecube is cheaper than the Wii U.

 

...

 

Point being that while some people are surprised that the Wii U is tracking below GC, I'm not.


Yea the Gamecubes lineup makes the Wii U one look like a joke, which is actually a good thing if we are looking at future Wii U sales.  X and Bayonetta are going to bring the Wii U to new levels in Japan, but Nintendo still needs that killer app or 2 that appeals to America.  If Miyamoto is really doing an FPS then that would do the trick, otherwise they are going to have to rely on a big budget Zelda title.



trestres on 12 December 2013
justinian said:
trestres said:
I'm afraid of buying a WiiU now, not gonna spend 300 dollars on a console that might get slashed pretty soon. And Nintendo acts as if nothing's going on.

Seriously, Wii U is now officially being Dreamcasted. They might want to carry on the console for 4 more years with terrible losses or just give up on the Home console business. Unless miracles happen, that's the only 2 options they have.

9 million Wii U sold during the FY, 1 Billion operating profit and the HW forecasts predictions will fall short so badly (Wii U will be lucky to sell 4 million on the FY), and serious consequences will arise from that during the shareholders roundtable for the end of the FY. Won't be surprised if there are resignations en masse, or if stocks drop to abysmal and scary levels. Won't even be surprised if there's physical violence during the presentation, to be honest.

Nintendo probably let their only chance to recover fly past. Farewell.

Lets be honest, you were never going to buy a wii u :)

The bolded bit of your post is what I hope happens. As for the rest of it, it reminds me of bad tabloid journalism.

"..physical violence during the presentation"... hilarious.


Oh yes I was, and I probably will. Though not for 300 dollars. Price will drop soon. That last part was intended to be ridiculous, of course you noticed (I hope)

Looks like you don't know me if you believe I won't be buying a Nintendo console. It's just time to accept that this console is a failure, and that Nintendo may want to keep it alive even if it's a disaster saleswise, just to avoid following Sega's steps into irrelevance.



Proud poster of the 10000th reply at the Official Smash Bros Update Thread.

tag - "I wouldn't trust gamespot, even if it was a live comparison."

Bets with Conegamer:

Pandora's Tower will have an opening week of less than 37k in Japan. (Won!)
Pandora's Tower will sell less than 100k lifetime in Japan.
Stakes: 1 week of avatar control for each one.

Fullfilled Prophecies

Around the Network
Locknuts on 12 December 2013
superhippy420 said:
Locknuts said:
I've been checking the online stores bestsellers lists to see how the Wii U is doing. As of right now (in the lead up to Christmas), at Gamestop.com Wii U bundles are at numbers 2 & 10 (Mario & Luigi and WWHD), at Bestbuy.com it's at number 1 and at Walmart.com it's number 5. I'm not sure how this translates to the numbers we're seeing but I have a theory:

I asked at my local EB Games earlier last month how the Wii U was doing. He said the got 3 Mario & Luigi bundles in and sold them day one, but they didn't order any more as the back room was basically reserved for X1 and PS4 launch stock.

Basically, I don't even think retailers had room to stock Wii Us until a couple of weeks ago. Combine this with the reports of retailers selling out of Wii Us and it seems to me they simply weren't ordering them in until now, and if retailers aren't ordering them in, then they can't possibly sell. Make of that what you will, but I think the Wii U might be ok going into next year. If not, it's definitely time for Nintendo to rethink their strategy.

Sounds about right.  Even though the Wii U has been selling poorly, they know that Nintendo/Mario is still a huge seller during Christmas time.  If the boost that the Wii U got in the last 8 days of November keeps up through December then the Wii U should sell around 500k worldwide for the month, which would be a huge rebound considering only one big title was released.  Nintendo software lineup until August was terrible and the sales showed that.  Xbone/PS4 are going to have the same problem come next year. They won't drop to 60k like the Wii U did but I have a hard time seeing how they will move more than 125k per month with no software. 

PS4 and X1 have a surprising number of quality titles coming early next year. Ground Zeroes, Titanfall, Second Son, Rayman Legends etc. I know most of those are available on PS360 & PC, but I reckon they'll keep the hype train going early into next year. It's up to Nintendo to ensure that DK, MK and whatever else they've got coming are top quality titles. I really believe that all three have the potential to do well, but it's entirely up to the quality of the games produced.



osed125 on 12 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
osed125 said:

Dropping early 2015 would mean one big thing: losing costumers and investors trust. Look at it this way, if Nintendo drops the Wii U early 2015 that would mean no Zelda for the Wii U, you realize what would that mean? First: pissing off your fanbase, which won't buy your next console. Second: losing all the money you invested in the game's development. 

I used Zelda as an example but this applies to any game. Nintendo strategy imo should be this: keep the 2014 lineup as it is, after that make "small" games, have only Zelda and maybe some few other games as big AAA tittles, the rest should be games with small development time and small costs (but not to the point of indie, I'm talking DKC or 3D World levels), have a steady flow of games during 2015 and 2016, and in 2017 launch the new console.

Of course what I mentioned won't make the Wii U sell well (probably nothing will), but it will at least be profitable, will keep the small fanbase happy and investors probably won't complain that much.

I win.

Well since you acknowledged that nothing will make the WII U rise up why should nintendo keep pleasing their hardcore fans if their not even going to get a big profit. If I were nintendo I would let go of the WII U and go on to making a successor to the WII and not the gamecube. The WII U is essentially a gamecube 2.0. I would bring back motion controls for the next nintendo console and start by giving a massive budget to 2D mario while bundling it with the WII. 

All that is fine and dandy, but the wrong part is the timing. Nintendo can't release this "Wii 2" so early, not without some huge consequences. Same as with the Gamecube, they might as well keep the Wii U support for 2 or 3 years, have most of their profits come from the 3DS and make at least a little bit of money out of the Wii U (at some point the system will become profitable)

After that then they can make the Wii 2 without pissing customers and investors off, Nintendo has plenty of money in the bank, so they can definitely survive this whole gen without the Wii U selling like cupcakes, and start preparing the next console. 



Nintendo and PC gamer

superhippy420 on 12 December 2013
zorg1000 said:
Roar_Of_War said:

The 3DS is still doing good. Shame on VGchartz for overtracking by -that- much. That's why people don't respect their numbers.

 

ALBW also still did good. For 8 days those are good numbers, especially competiting with Pokemon. Mario is doing pretty badly, on the other hand. It's literally the only Wii U game selling right now.


Maybe having NSMBU+Luigi U bundled is hurting 3D World sales?


Good Point.   3D World is going to have some really long legs if you are right.



fatslob-:O on 12 December 2013
osed125 said:
fatslob-:O said:
osed125 said:

Dropping early 2015 would mean one big thing: losing costumers and investors trust. Look at it this way, if Nintendo drops the Wii U early 2015 that would mean no Zelda for the Wii U, you realize what would that mean? First: pissing off your fanbase, which won't buy your next console. Second: losing all the money you invested in the game's development. 

I used Zelda as an example but this applies to any game. Nintendo strategy imo should be this: keep the 2014 lineup as it is, after that make "small" games, have only Zelda and maybe some few other games as big AAA tittles, the rest should be games with small development time and small costs (but not to the point of indie, I'm talking DKC or 3D World levels), have a steady flow of games during 2015 and 2016, and in 2017 launch the new console.

Of course what I mentioned won't make the Wii U sell well (probably nothing will), but it will at least be profitable, will keep the small fanbase happy and investors probably won't complain that much.

I win.

Well since you acknowledged that nothing will make the WII U rise up why should nintendo keep pleasing their hardcore fans if their not even going to get a big profit. If I were nintendo I would let go of the WII U and go on to making a successor to the WII and not the gamecube. The WII U is essentially a gamecube 2.0. I would bring back motion controls for the next nintendo console and start by giving a massive budget to 2D mario while bundling it with the WII. 

All that is fine and dandy, but the wrong part is the timing. Nintendo can't release this "Wii 2" so early, not without some huge consequences. Same as with the Gamecube, they might as well keep the Wii U support for 2 or 3 years, have most of their profits come from the 3DS and make at least a little bit of money out of the Wii U (at some point the system will become profitable)

After that then they can make the Wii 2 without pissing customers and investors off, Nintendo has plenty of money in the bank, so they can definitely survive this whole gen without the Wii U selling like cupcakes, and start preparing the next console. 

They definitely have alot of money but the 3DS has being underperforming so far. Hopefully this disaster will teach them a lesson by going the way of the gamecube. Even if nintendo screws up in the handheld space their pretty much always gonna be the winners. 



Soundwave on 12 December 2013

It's pretty easy to reposition the Wii U as Wii 2 anyway ... firmware update, make the tablet optional, bundle Wii Sports Club + NSMBU with it.

But Wii Sports Club and Wii Party U and Wii Fit U (free trial) haven't done a lick for Wii U sales as is. That audience is goners.