Failures can happen after some time of use, although the problem in the system existed from the beginning. That often includes overheating or some part that can't withstand the strain it has to endure while usage.

Secondly, I read some news, and this 0.4% are only for the 'blue pulse of death'. Other failures aren't included in this figure. See http://www.golem.de/news/playstation-4-blue-pulse-of-death-blaulicht-wegen-fehlerhaftem-hdmi-ausgang-1311-102795.html for an article in german about this. And again, only for the batch that was delivered before launch. Batches from different assembly-lines might not have this problem at all or might have a higher percentage of this error. As such the number is to read. Only for one batch and only for one specific problem, not other problems (like the crash that leaves the system beeping).

As such the number is believable, but that wasn't what walsufnir was talking about. He was talking about that this number gives no real believable indication which failure rate we have to expect for the long run. we have no indication for that that is believable at the moment. Sony might have more data and a better idea, but they too will not know for real until some months have passed. If you don't really understand what is happening in a technical sense, you should be more cautious with 'correcting' other people or saying they 'are wrong'.

And you can stop your Sony full defense, that is no PS4-bashing. The stabilized failure-rate might well below this figure in the long run. Maybe the pre-launch-models were from one specific assembly-line, others don't have the problem. Very likely the pre-launch-models were produced with very small experience and not yet strongly established procedures. The problem might already be solved in the assembly of the current models. We just don't know. And that's why the data is not really believable.

Until the system fails you cant say it failed (aka include it in failire rate). That german site is stupid

You still didn't understood a thing walsufnir or I have said. You probably didn't understood what golem.de has written. *sigh*

My friends uncles grandmas nephews best friends fiance  is working at best buy and they sold 1000 PS4s and guess how many returned their console  OVER9000.

Btw you do know that people are not forced to return a console within the first 3 days or so? + people buy christmas presents and some PS4s are not even opened yet. + a ton of them are on ebay right now and thats why noone knows if they are broken or not.
So your 0 means absolutely nothing at all.  Time will tell not some random guy at a random shop.



back on topic.

1200 Amazon reviews and 400+ with broken consoles... that is quite worrying. It was enough for amazon to stop selling them.

Also  reported does not mean = existing  just reported. When I buy something like a console I usually know how it works that pressing some buttons for a few seconds  resets video settings etc. I can also read the manual and if its not working I just send it back and get a new one. Why call the some incompetent manufacturer service hotline with people that have less of an idea whats going on than i do?

btw
Sony always knows how to twiste or at least hide things. 
Shipped VS sold.
Footage directly captured from PS3 VS running in realtime on PS3.
(It can still be a UBERMEGAHYPERULTRA settings with 99AA downsampled from 8k and converted into the finest Bluray quality possible and then just run via the internal bluray player. It does not mean that its PS3 graphics)
And the reported stuff.
BONUS: We HAVE to make you pay for online because its to expensive for us (well then let the gamers host their own servers on their consoles and let friends join for free.  Keep the paying shit for people that care about competitions etc.)

its all damage control.

people are just blowing this out of proportion. people give 1 star review on amazon for getting the wrong bundle, and not because it is broken..

Clearly 0 means 0 even if annedoctal...

And 400 DOA on Amazon 100k sells would mean 0.4% so it's still inside Shu figures... so please go complain about a HW you won't buy elsewhere.

Managment problem would be much easier to work out than a hardware design problem

Except the one which i just posted

Except thats not believable... because they (Mnementh and walsulfnir) would rather close their eyes and unaccept it with no evidence to support their views

No disrespect, but Sony lied about psn going down and the credit cards info going missing. So I'll wait for shops to announce the real figures. Im more concerned about the 45 mins wait every hour for the console to cool down. I had it twice in 4 hours last night. Really frustrating.

Sony will sort it though. They sorted the psn out when it was hacked so. As a previous rrod victim I feel you.