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Goatseye on 03 November 2013
Michael-5 said:
Goatseye said:
forevercloud3000 said:

I live in the US as well. I did have the hunch that some recent trendings as far as electronics are purely based on national pride. The Car industry of late is a perfect example.

This always leaves a sour taste in my mouth because US made products are usually.........subpar to put it nicely. Foreign made products 9 times out of ten is built better, lasts longer. I know our economy is struggling and everything, but buying into inferior tech just to support it seems to be poor practice in the long term IMO.

I do not think you understand US market that well. Maybe your friends consuming trends.

The best selling phone after Apple's is Samsung not Nexus, Motorola etc...

The best selling cars are a mix between American and Japanese models.

US embrace foreign products better than any country out there. But loving it's own is seen as extreme nationalism.

Just couple a years ago Japan viewed Samsung and LG phones and other eletronics inferior to their Japanese counter-parts, although internationally they wrecked every Japanese competitor.

Apple does well in Japan because there's no Japanese competition and it's ultra-popular in the world.

Isn't Samsung above Apple in USA as well? I know it is WW by a large margin, but USA too right? The iPhone 5 didn't push anywhere nearly as much as Apple had hoped.

Also Apple is not doing well in Japan, why do you think that? They are pulling out of Korea because they can't keep up with Samsung, and I hear Japan is in a similar situation.

Best Selling cars in USA are American Trucks, followed by a mix of Japanese/American Sedans. Japanese deserve to be there because they actually survive longer then 150,000 miles (250,000km). Average lifespan of a car in USA is 150,000 miles, those numbers are pushed down by Crysler, Land Rover, Dodge, Chevy, etc, and pushed up by Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

As for Americans embracing foreign products....... If you look at Apple, Ford, even X-Box sales outside of USA, you can see they are doing miserably because they are bad products. Yet in the states, they lead. Why is that? Nationalism........ Japan is just as bad, I won't argue that, but if you look at where Japanese products sell well, it's all over the world. Nintendo sold the most consoles WW last year, not just in Japan, Samsung (Korean) sells the most phones WW, Toyota sells the most cars WW.

Same goes with European products, Volkswagen sells as many cars in USA as they do Europe, Porsche's largest market is the states. Ford however struggle in UK, and even then a lot of British people buy Fords because they are made in UK.

So no, a lot of American Products sell well, in USA, because of nationalism. This is why they don't sell well outside of USA, but Japanese stuff do.

What's wrong in so many levels with that sentence?

Apple: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/23/us-apple-iphone-idUSBRE98J0LD20130923

Ford: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-09/ford-focus-grabs-global-sales-crown-as-world-buys-small.html

Xbox does bad outside of US/UK because people don't know it as much as US. Simply that.



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Goatseye on 03 November 2013

So me buying an Xbox because I love Halo, Gears, Crackdown and stellar MS Arcade and Indy published games is purely an act of nationalism?

That's sad. Just like when I went on Eurogamer's web site and people were bashing Xbox and Halo because they were American brand and calling it "Amurica."
And there's always this comment on those forums. "I'm American but that is true/funny" followed by dozens of thumbs up.

When



forevercloud3000 on 03 November 2013
Goatseye said:
Shadow1980 said:
forevercloud3000 said:

When so many chose 360 over PS3, they might of had some valid reasoning. It was a lot cheaper, and came out a whole year before PS3. It had a robust Online where Sony struggled to just get it up and running. At the start it also had all the exclusives and most games became multiplat meaning you no longer needed a PS system to play them.

Now its totally different, Tables have been turned and yet.....people begrudgingly choose to ignore it.I just think where these two next gen consoles are concerned its a no brainer. Unless you are invested in MS IPs and Achievements, prefer it's controller THAT much why get an XBOne? Cheaper, most of the same games but more highly rated exclusives, more powerful specs, doesn't have a track record as bad as RROD, and will have 90% of the same OS features. You would have to be blind to not see which is the better bargain here.


That's pretty much how I see it. The 360 was my platform of choice for this past generation. It had all the advantages you cited. I didn't bother with the PS3 initially for several reasons. First off, it cost too damn much. Second, it didn't really have a decent selection of interesting exclusives until like 2008 whereas the 360 had a year's head start to allow it to accumulate more games (e.g., first-party titles like Halo 3, Gears, and Crackdown, and timed third-party exclusives like BioShock and Mass Effect), and XBL was the place to go for online gaming. As someone with no particular loyalty to either Sony or MS, I had no qualms with choosing the 360 over the PS3. It was just the better value at the time. The PS3 did eventually catch up with and in many ways surpass the 360, but it took it several years to do so. By then, I had already invested in the 360's infrastructure.

This time around, the PS4 is to me the better value. For one, it costs less, which is a big deal for someone with a limited gaming budget; that $100 that I save could be used to put towards buying a couple of games. It also has more appealing exclusives. Killzone, Knack, Infamous, DriveClub, and The Order 1886 all interest me more than Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, and Titanfall. The lattermost game is a great concept and it interested me when I first saw it, my interest immediately evaporated when it was annouced that it had no single-player. Halo 5 is the only thing coming in the XBO's first year that I'm interested in. In the longer term, Sony has also shown that the have the ability to offer better first-party support for their systems because, just like Nintendo, they've actually invested heavily in their own in-house efforts. Microsoft on the other hand has chosen to rely on moneyhatting third parties to get most of their exclusives, which is not sustainable. As a result, their first-party efforts are basically limited to Halo, Forza, and Fable. If history repeats itself, by around 2016 or 2017, the XBO will be much like the 360, with exclusives being very few and far between. Also, the PS4 has more indie support as well. Finally, PS+ has shown itself to be just as good if not better than XBL Gold. The Instant Game Collection is awesome, and if I ever decide I'm tired of online gaming and give it up, I can still watch Netflix and Hulu and do all sorts of non-gaming things on the PS4 because Sony isn't locking nearly everything behind a pay wall like MS is. This time around, Sony is offering the better value, and thus I had no qualms switching from Xbox to PlayStation as my primary platform this go around. I care more about my wallet, in making good investments with my limited amount of money, than in going with whatever my friends are getting.

Misinformation is what gonna move people away from X1.

In the past 3 years MS studios put more first party studios together than Sony/Nintendo together. This time around Sony IS moneyhatting for indy support that MS was publishing in a great amount.Just now people care about indy? They didn't just appear in February 2013.

First party games being developed by MS this time around is more than others I believe.

For the gods sake. Netflix and Hulu can be better streamed on PC, I don't pay for Live to watch a limited version of Netflix and Hulu.

 

MS has definitely stepped their 1st party studio game up but lets not get carried away, they pale in comparison to Sony and Nintendo's. I've seen these lists of supposed "gaming" studios MS has and most of them have never made a single game. Or they are relegated almost exclusively to Phone apps and GUI designs(Rare comes to mind). There technical Console game output is fairly small still. They shifted basically everything they had coming to 360 for the last few years to XbOne simply to make their list appear full(IE:Ryse)

Sony has never admitted to moneyhatting games. Why would they? On Sony's best day if it came down to who's wallet is bigger MS would win every time. Sorry to dissappoint but Sony has to rely on incentivizing tactics to win over other publishers. If this means they bundle in 3rd Party game or give it a bit more free ad space on PSN, it will vary. There are reasons other than money why a company would align themselves with Sony(like the fact exclusives always get a bigger buzz). Not saying Sony never does, just that its really far and inbetween if they do. MS has admitted to the tactic indirectly and its pretty well known that they do it in every market they encounter. 

Sony mind you also has a tendency to publish games that others like MS wouldn't touch (MS turned down Heavenly Sword and Heavy Rain, thats how they ended up PS3 exclusives). Also its their parallel business tactics that encourage ppl to go Sony instead.

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I continue to believe that Indies matter then(when 360 started out it was a regular gaming wonderland via Arcade) just as they matter now with PS4. Especially at a time where both console's AAA offerings are spread thin.



      

      

      

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Michael-5 on 03 November 2013
Goatseye said:

As for Americans embracing foreign products....... If you look at Apple, Ford, even X-Box sales outside of USA, you can see they are doing miserably because they are bad products. Yet in the states, they lead. Why is that? Nationalism........ Japan is just as bad, I won't argue that, but if you look at where Japanese products sell well, it's all over the world. Nintendo sold the most consoles WW last year, not just in Japan, Samsung (Korean) sells the most phones WW, Toyota sells the most cars WW.

What's wrong in so many levels with that sentence?

Apple: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/23/us-apple-iphone-idUSBRE98J0LD20130923

Ford: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-09/ford-focus-grabs-global-sales-crown-as-world-buys-small.html

Xbox does bad outside of US/UK because people don't know it as much as US. Simply that.

Misinformation indeed.

Samsung Dominates the Smartphone market with 3x as many phones sold as iPhone

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/29/apples-growth-trails-smartphone-market-in-3q-2013-but-improves-in-broader-mobile-phone-market/

81% of OS are Android

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/31/android-record-smartphone-share-iphone-blackberry

As for Ford - 15% USa Market, 8% European Market

http://corporate.ford.com/microsites/sustainability-report-2012-13/financial-data-market

American Products do noticable worse outside of USA, but Samsung leads phone sales WW, not just in Europe. Sony and Nintendo outsell MS in video game consoles WW, not just Japan.....on and on.

Last I checked people in Europe were just as educated as people in USA. They know all about MS and the 360, they just buy better, more reliable Japanese consoles.

Goatseye said:

Misinformation is what gonna move people away from X1.

In the past 3 years MS studios put more first party studios together than Sony/Nintendo together. This time around Sony IS moneyhatting for indy support that MS was publishing in a great amount.Just now people care about indy? They didn't just appear in February 2013.

First party games being developed by MS this time around is more than others I believe.

For the gods sake. Netflix and Hulu can be better streamed on PC, I don't pay for Live to watch a limited version of Netflix and Hulu.

Has MS made more 1st party studios then Sony? Check. Even then, none of those studios have a proven track record of making quality games. We saw what MS did to Rare, Look at 343 compared to Bungie.... Why do you expect things to be different now?

You're also wrong about the number of 1st party games, Sony and Nintendo have more 1st party games out/in development for the PS4/WiiU respectively then MS has for the One.



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Veknoid_Outcast on 03 November 2013

I wouldn't read too much into these examples. People are buying X1 because they like Microsoft's exclusives and/or they think the launch line-up is superior to PS4 and/or they had superior experiences on Xbox and Xbox 360.



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dsage01 on 03 November 2013

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Puppyroach on 03 November 2013

Oh man, the Playstation defence squad is active today I see :). The funny thing is that some of them actually seem to think us XBox fans bought an XBox because we are stupid and do not understand that it is a BAD BAD machine :).

It would be great if some more balanced PS supporters came in and gave a different view on things than these people that seem to glorify Playstation and Sony at any chance they get, yet failing to realize that Sony and MS always work the industry in basically the same way, it just a matter of different tactics and size of the wallet.

And btw: I am very happy with my American product in Sweden :).



Areym on 03 November 2013

The PS4 and XB1 have become pretty much super HD twins, with the Wii U being the odd one out.



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Goatseye on 04 November 2013
Puppyroach said:
Oh man, the Playstation defence squad is active today I see :). The funny thing is that some of them actually seem to think us XBox fans bought an XBox because we are stupid and do not understand that it is a BAD BAD machine :).

It would be great if some more balanced PS supporters came in and gave a different view on things than these people that seem to glorify Playstation and Sony at any chance they get, yet failing to realize that Sony and MS always work the industry in basically the same way, it just a matter of different tactics and size of the wallet.

And btw: I am very happy with my American product in Sweden :).

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The Fury on 04 November 2013

This thread is an interesting read. One side saying 'stop being nosey', the other side trying to explain.

I can understand the opening posts concern, the idea is that the person they were talking to (while giving a very genuine reason) wasn't making sense based on basic logic and being, well, a uninformed buyer.
"I'm getting it because my friends are getting it."
"Why is that?"
"Because that's what they had before."

The thing is, it's not what they had before, it's a brand new console generation and there is no reason why the guy couldn't say to his friends, "Dude, I'm getting a PS4 this gen because of *insert valid reason*" and his mates saying "Actually yeah, that's a good idea, if we all get the same console we can still play together."

But hey, if their friends are getting Xbone's because they had 360s and that's the only reason, let them. It's a poor reason at the start of a generation but it's their decision none the less.



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