I doubt Ghosts is supporting it at launch, but it's technically possible. Also the PS4 camera tracks Move even better than the PS3 eye did, so you can look forward to that if move support gets patched in to COD.

Nah, i believe its you who dont get it.

You can have your personal prefrences (IR controll, gamepad, blue boxart) but it doesnt change the fact that Wii U version is a technically inferior product.

Whether it's "technically" inferior or not is rather irrelevant to me as long as it is superior in the ways I want, which it is.

That's an excellent point. I wasn't aware of that feature. I guess it depends on how much detail is lost in running the game in dual screen mode like that. From past experience where games offer a split screen mode the detail on each half screen is reduced to compensate. Part of that is the reduced screen size anyway but also you normally get a reduction in onscreen detail to allow for the extra cpu power required to run 2 games so to speak.

Call of Duty Black Ops 2 has the lowest frame rate of the 3 consoles on wii u for single player, some missing graphic detail and is still running at the sub 720p 880x720 resolution like ps3 and 360. Graphically the ps3 is the worst basically because of no built in hardware upscaler like 360 and wii u. It's just a weak upscale down by the cell processor I believe.

Other developers have also said how weak it is with statements like 'a really horrible cpu'. The fact remains you would never look to developers or publishers for honest information about a console they support and in fact many of the developers who have criticised the wii u don't develop on it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating though, the actual games.

Clearly though the wii u technically is superior to 360 and PS3 on many levels. Better gpu feature set, more memory, more fast embedded memory, faster optical drive, larger capacity optical disc than 360, better hardware upscaler plus other features. The fact remains though;

No hard drive unless you buy an attach one but you only get slow usb 2.0 speeds

Main memory has very low memory bandwidth of 12.8GB/s less than 360 and PS3.

expresso cpu is only 3 last century powerpc cpu's running at 1.25ghz. Even allowing for its superor architecture over 360 and PS3 Cell it is still only 3x1.25ghz for an old 32bit cpu. The xbox cpu is 6 threads at 3.2ghz. The fact is the powerpc chip in the wii u maybe only 2-3x as efficient as the 360 processor. End result is expresso is likely only in the region of 60% performance of the 360. The PS3 is even more powerful with regard cpu performance than 360 maybe by a factor of 50%. Even using some of the compute functionality of the latte gpu won't fully make up this shortfall completely at least not without compromsing graphic performance.

As I said before the wii u is performing exactly as expected for the hardware on offer. No surprises. It's just consumers have different expectations of what the wii u performance level. We have seen this all before with the original wii.

Lets face it though if the wii u can't come in and compete successfully with 360 and PS3 there is something massively wrong. The xbox one which many are claiming is a compromised design is massively exceeding 360 performance day one without problem and the ps4 is more powerful again.

The reason the wii u isn't managing to surpass 360 and PS3 for multiformat games is simply because both 360 and PS3 are designs that have high cpu performance for their day.

Which devs hve said it's weaker? I'm willing to bet their Wii U games fall far short of those of Frozebyte, Shin'en and Criterion.

There's more to CPUs than just clockspeed and thread count. Espresso has three times as much cache as the 360 CPU, for instance, and a shorter pipeline which means it loses less to performance-robbing pipeline bubbles.

The multiplat problem is that (A) modern console engines are built on 8 years of optimization for the high clock speed, long pipeline, low cache CPUs of 360/PS3, (B) due to low sales expectations, third parties are simply not making an effort to optimise for Wii U, and (C) they know PS3/360 inside out by now, while Wii U is still comparatively new and unfamiliar.

It's exclusives that show a system's real capabilities. We saw this with PS3, Wii, and 360, and we'll see it on Wii U as well.

On RAM bandwidth, I haven't seen a single dev complain about that, and it's been stated by Shin'en that: "Theoretical RAM bandwidth in a system doesn’t tell you too much because GPU caching will hide a lot of this latency".

PS3/360 were indeed incredibly powerful for 2005/2006 hardware while Wii U is only modest in power for 2012, but in a direct comparison I'd say Wii U just has too many advantages not to be considered decidedly stronger.

No one is saying the wii u cpu isn't superior in architecture and performance per mhz than 360 and PS3 but it's 3 cores are single thread at 1.25ghz. Even being generous and stating the wii u cpu is 3x as efficient per mhz still means a huge drop in performance compared to 360. Lets not also forget the tiny amount of power the wii u uses compared to 360 or PS3 and its on the same fabrication process.

The evidence so far shows most eurogamer faceoffs have the wii u at current gen levels with perhaps 2/3rds of games perfoming better on 360 and to a lesser extent ps3. Even more recent games like Resident Evil Revelations which the wii u is really struggling to match 360 and PS3.

At this point in time the wii u appears if anything slightly weaker.

I own wii u, ps3 and 360 and have to say at this point its hard to tell them apart but technically the 360 and PS3 are more impressive to me at the moment. This may change but I don't think the wii u will ever perform much beyond ps3 and 360 I see the wii u as Nintendo's entry into the current generation. It doesn't really matter though, I bought the wii u for Nintendo exclusives and any other decent third party exclusive games. I never had any expectation of the wii u being a next gen console in performance and so the performance level of the wii u has brought no surprises to me. Ok I'm a little surprised at how low Nintendo went but I expected them to go cheap just like they did with the wii.

Wii U suffers in the muliplatform stakes not because it's weaker or equal in power, but because devs have had 7-8 years  to max out PS3/360 but only one with Wii U. That and low sales don't encourage serious investment into pushing the hardware.

The wii u is not some revolutionary new design. It's the same cpu architecture run faster x 3. The gpu is an existing mature radeon design with no doubt mature drivers and comprehensive documentation. There is no doubt there is a learning curve but its an easy to develop for console as has been stated by Nintendo.

Rogue Squadron on gamecube was a launch title on gamecube and was never really surpassed on gamecube and only a small handful of titles surpassed it on wii. The cpu in the wii u was developed in 1997. At the time state of the art but now very low end performance.

All these debates have been done before on wii with people stating their is some golden dawn when the wii would show its true power. Of course that never happened because every realistic person knew it was just a speeded up gamecube with more memory bolted on. The same is true here we effectively know the wii u specification and its not good its very budget orientated. Even recent games are underperforming on wii u. Yes wii u games will become more impressive but only by a small margin. The ps3 for example was a development nightmare with a huge learning curve. Even the 360 had some issues getting all six threads working well simultanously. The wii u just has 3 threads and a gpu which needs less assistance from the cpu. Its a pretty clean design with regard development and we are seeing early wii u games often performing at a similar level to later games so far.  The recent Batman Arkham Origins again shows a weak performance from wii u. The same again for Black Ops 2. Nothing seems to be being learnt about improving performance.

The wii u is best programmed from the ground up with games designed to max the more feature rich gpu and not push the weak cpu too hard. It's really not suitable as a competitive console for multiformat games.

Latte does not match any single off-the-shelf GPU, and the kind of highly specialised optimization built up over years and years for PS3/360 simply won't exist.

Rogue Squadron 2 was a freak occurence, and was in fact surpassed by its own sequel two years later, which ran the second game's levels in splitscreen with added effects, and in its own levels pushed 33% more polygons while running the same extra effects.

And the Wii's graphics did improve with time even despite it being a  familiar architecture, more so than Wii U is; Wii's most technically advanced games arrived in its 3rd, 4th, and 5th years, games like Conduit 1 & 2, Jett Rocket, and Metroid Other M. So those of us who said it would show its power later on were right.

I do agree with you, hough, that like any console, Wii U would be best utilized by ground-up games, not ports.

At the end of the day though, the simple matter is that nobody has tried to really push the Wii U. Every exclusive so far has been graphically conservative. Not once has a talented team set out to push the graphics of the system as far as possible in a high-budget, ground-up game.