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kowenicki said:
 


I'm sorry but this isn't logical.  Sony HAD to charge for online because MS did?  why?    

It was here before Sony too and would still be be here if they went bust. 

You have no point other than a biased view.  Its that simple.

 


The biased view of beeing a microsoft customer for a decade.



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kowenicki said:
 


I repeat.  Why did Sony HAVE to copy these practices that YOU say MS introduced?


So, you're saying micrsoft didnt introduce them? May i direct you to that hard-drive in your Xbox system?

Sony had to implement them to please the 3rd parties and they did not copy all practices. PSN is still free on the PS3, but the rollercoaster keeps going forward and if the tracks ever end (FPS popularity), they will all lose. Nintendo didnt copy all those practices aswell. At one point it become norm because Microsoft got away with it. It wouldnt have, if they didnt. Or at least it would be a much slower process. Microsoft takes the initiative when its about blatantly extorting money from your costumers with no regard to their image.

As such, im showing them that there are consequences for that behaviour. Just like many others did on the X1 unveil when more abuses were announced.



Nem said:
kowenicki said:
Nem said:

I totally hope that happens. I want to see Microsoft pushed back to beeing almost irrelevant. I feel they brought many destructive/greedy practices to the market that has been costing us consumers and publishers/developers and will continue to do so.
I do hope the Wii U picks up though (it already is tbh). I would be very pleased with a Sony/Nintendo only market. Microsoft can go back to beeing 3rd party or focus on phones or something. Thats where their pet rival Apple is afterall.


Such a blinkered and sad post.   So they brought practices that other manufacturers were FORCED to follow?  Name these awful, destructive and greedy practices that the industry HAD TO FOLLOW. 

I'll tell you one thing that they have brought which you should be eternally grateful for.... competition.  Imagine thr PS3 with its launch price and no competition...

You need to wise up.

 

 

 


I am entitled to my opinion and i do not wish to enter a huge argument about this. Instead of dragging this on i will give you the most blatant one: paying for online play. Yes, Sony is following suit, but they wouldnt have had if it wasnt for microsoft.

The competition is nintendo. Microsoft does not have a different enough offer to actually make any sort of difference. The games market was here and had competition before Microsoft joined. You can bet it will still be here after they leave.

Bolded: How do you know? They say they are doing it because of all the online features are going to be expencive to make, and that is not Microsofts fault.



IsawYoshi said:

Bolded: How do you know? They say they are doing it because of all the online features are going to be expencive to make, and that is not Microsofts fault.


Very simply cause it would be a risky proposition in terms of unit sales. Microsoft got away with it, so Sony finally decided they could get away with it aswell. Anyways Sony's decisions arent the ones creating the problems in the first place. The ones ushering them in are microsoft.



Well, if they dominate, at least I can always mock their fanbase with the games they may be missing (?)



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Nem said:


What were the results of pushing a generation early? I really really dislike having to debate this but here we go then.

Payed online play, DLC, pushing a generation of gaming before the market was ready leading to increasing development costs and bankrupting of several companies. Season passes, online passes, day one patches and almost enforced digital only. All things ushered in by microsoft. In my view they are a company that does not care about their customers and giving them a fair service. I felt nickle and dimed by microsoft throughout this whole generation ending now at the point where i will never again buy a microsoft console. I regret having ever supported them cause even when Sony was beeing arrogant with the PS3, they never stooped so low.

Microsoft in a nuttshell, nickle and dimes us, destroyed countless job stations and funneled us to a shooter only market, with no variety, wich in my opinion risks a crash when people get tired of so many FPS games. Microsoft is destructive, and i would rather not see things get worse.

Dude.

Payed online:  This was available before Microsoft was on the Market.  Look up SegaNet for the Dreamcast.  Or the Sega Channel.  There were also unofficial online options for the N64 (sharkwire) and SNES/Genesis (can't remember their name).  Sony was the only one that didn't charge for online and compared to the original Xbox, it was easily subpar.  Even the PS3's online was initially a shell of what Xbox 360 offered.   The reason Sony didn't charge was because they needed to have that advantage over the 360.  The PS3 cost Sony billions as they did price cuts, gave away free games, free online--whatever they could do to lure gamers from the surprise success of the 360.  Most didn't think the 360 would last nearly as long as it did or sell as much as it did.  Meanwhile Sony was saying "The first million will buy a PS3 with NO GAMES" or "Gamers can get a second job to buy a PS3".

Pushing a gen before the market was ready:  The market was ready.  Just like it's ready now.  Just like it was ready when the Genesis launched at the height of the Nes or when the Dreamcast launched when the PS1 was ruling the world.  Gamers were ready for more impressive games.  If we weren't, the 360 would have crashed and burned like CDi, 3DO, Neo Geo, or any number of overpowered, over-priced consoles that failed because it wasn't time.

Season Passes/Online Passes:  I'm pretty sure that was a third party thing to combat used game sales.  You're blaming Microsoft for something they didn't originate.  And you're blaming them for something they almost did.  They didn't do that digital only thing--which, if you can remember, was something already done by Sega on the Dreamcast with Phantasy Star Online.  It was a retail disc that could only be used once.  Again, not something Microsoft started and also something Sony was rumored to be doing since before the PS2 and PS3 (but they didn't go through with it).  I'll post links but I have to go in about fifteen mins.  I WILL post them before tomorrow night, though.

Shooter only market:  You're blaming them for making one good game in a genre.  They made Halo.  That's it.  Why are you blaming them for making a successful FPS?  Are you blaming ID for Wolfenstein or Quake?  Are you blaming Rare for N64's  Goldeneye?  Infinity Ward for Call of Duty or whomever made Counterstrike?  Whe I got my PS2, Red Factio (an FPS) was the game to own.  Before that, it was Time Splitters.  In the 80's/90's, platformers dominated.  Before that, every other game was a Gradius styled space shooter.  Why single out Microsoft for a genre that gamers apparently want to play?  Do like me.  Play a variety.  I don't play Madden but I don't have animosity for those that do.  I just ignore them as long as I still get the games I want to play.

 

I think you're blaming Microsoft for everything when the real culprit here is Obamacare.



The thing is I really didnt like the PS2.  I thought PS3 was MUCH better.  COuld be because they had more competition so they were forced to try harder.  Idk, i just didnt care for PS2 for some reason.

So if they were to dominate, as long as they keep the same strategy as they did this gen im fine with it.  But if they are going to slouch off like they did early on in this generation then i wont be happy with it.




       

kowenicki said:
Nem said:


So, you're saying micrsoft didnt introduce them? May i direct you to that hard-drive in your Xbox system?

Sony had to implement them to please the 3rd parties and they did not copy all practices. PSN is still free on the PS3, but the rollercoaster keeps going forward and if the tracks ever end (FPS popularity), they will all lose. Nintendo didnt copy all those practices aswell. At one point it become norm because Microsoft got away with it. It wouldnt have, if they didnt. Or at least it would be a much slower process. Microsoft takes the initiative when its about blatantly extorting money from your costumers with no regard to their image.

As such, im showing them that there are consequences for that behaviour. Just like many others did on the X1 unveil when more abuses were announced.

 

So as I suspected, your rationale is that its not bad if Sony did it PURELY becasue MS did it first... that called giving them a free ride.  Its weak.

and Hard drives are bad?

You've lost it.

Like I said all of your posts here are based on hatred for a corporation and their platic bits, thats not healthy you know...


I never said Sony was in the right for copying them. You need not to read things i did not say. 

Hard drives are indeed bad for console gaming. It allows lazyness and carelessness. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of that. 

Yes i do dislike microsoft because of the way they treated me as a customer over the years. Its not healthy? I think it would be unhealthier if i kept supporting them for it. Actually, its quite healthy on my wallet!



Nem said:
IsawYoshi said:
 

Bolded: How do you know? They say they are doing it because of all the online features are going to be expencive to make, and that is not Microsofts fault.


Very simply cause it would be a risky proposition in terms of unit sales. Microsoft got away with it, so Sony finally decided they could get away with it aswell. Anyways Sony's decisions arent the ones creating the problems in the first place. The ones ushering them in are microsoft.

Nintendo didn't do it though, and I think the Wii U's online system is more robust (more features) than the Xbox 360's. They didn't include paid online. This is a decision Sony took. If they didn't take it they would have an advantage over Xbox One, but they chose to not do that, but include paid online.



Nem said:
kowenicki said:
 


I repeat.  Why did Sony HAVE to copy these practices that YOU say MS introduced?


So, you're saying micrsoft didnt introduce them? May i direct you to that hard-drive in your Xbox system?

Sony had to implement them to please the 3rd parties and they did not copy all practices. PSN is still free on the PS3, but the rollercoaster keeps going forward and if the tracks ever end (FPS popularity), they will all lose. Nintendo didnt copy all those practices aswell. At one point it become norm because Microsoft got away with it. It wouldnt have, if they didnt. Or at least it would be a much slower process. Microsoft takes the initiative when its about blatantly extorting money from your costumers with no regard to their image.

As such, im showing them that there are consequences for that behaviour. Just like many others did on the X1 unveil when more abuses were announced.

Are you a little out there or what?  You think the hard drive is a bad thing?



It is near the end of the end....