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Turkish said:


Are you delusional or just trying to stay ignorant to the facts? Do you know the marketshare of Genesis vs SNES?

Nintendo Super Nintendo Entertainment System 1990 49.10 million[3][10][11]
Atari Atari 2600 1977 40 million[12]
Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) 1988 29-35 million[cn 1]

Does that look 85 percent to you? If so, you suck at maths and go back to school. When PlayStation came out in the 2nd half of the 90s Sony dominated the market, PS1 sold 3x as much as n64 and 10x as much as Saturn. Nintendo never dominated any market before the Wii and they're about to lose that title to the PS3.


Yeah, take it easy, Turkish.  You're looking at how things ended up and not how they were at the time.  Think of it as Playstation 1 vs Dreamcast.  The Successor to the Playstation wasn't on the market because it didn't need to be, yet.  When the Genesis and even the SNES launched, people were still playing the Nes for years.



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STRYKIE said:
Turkish said:
Suke said:
Turkish said:
Suke said:
It will be boring and bad for the industry, remember back in the nineties, Nintendo had 85% of the gaming market......yeah, let that sink in.


Were you around in the 90s? Nintendo never dominated the console market in the 90s,  first half was a close race between SNES and Megadrive, the 5th gen was dominated by the PS1 which sold 3x as much as N64.


Dude, Nintendo own 85% of the market in the early 90's, and I'm not bragging about their success, I was explaining why it could be bad for a company to fully dominated a market. Nintendo was brutal how to control the market and made it impossible for other electronic companies to reach Nintendo success level. Only one that came fully close was Sega. 

Thanks to Nintendo's formal President, Hiroshi Yamauchi, (god bless his soul), he was part of the reason why the Playstation became what it is today. I want all three companies (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft) and the industry as a whole to do well, none of this one domination childish bullsh*t.


Are you delusional or just trying to stay ignorant to the facts? Do you know the marketshare of Genesis vs SNES?

Nintendo Super Nintendo Entertainment System 1990 49.10 million[3][10][11]
Atari Atari 2600 1977 40 million[12]
Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) 1988 29-35 million[cn 1]

Does that look 85 percent to you? If so, you suck at maths and go back to school. When PlayStation came out in the 2nd half of the 90s Sony dominated the market, PS1 sold 3x as much as n64 and 10x as much as Saturn. Nintendo never dominated any market before the Wii and they're about to lose that title to the PS3.

To be fair, I think he might of meant right at the start of the 90's, like, before the Mega Drive/Genesis truly found it's feet with Sonic, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, and it hadn't been released in PAL terrortories where Sega actually had the edge in market share.

By the early 90s Sonic 2 had been released with 3 soon to follow, the MD had already been on sale over a year in Japan when the snes launched, Nintendo were the ones playing catchup in the early 90s its only in the mid to late 90s that the Snes started selling more, and overall the total sales are mainly because the Snes was still being sold when Sega all but abandoned the MD in favor of the saturn in late 1994 - md was discontinued globally by 1999m where as snes was discontinued globally in 2003. theres a two year gap between Sega phasing out the MD and Nintendo releasing the N64 too.

All in all it was a very complex generation, mistakes were made by both parties, but neither manufacturer dominated either, at any point during that generation, despite having overall higher number of shipped units, the MD actually outsold it in the US and some other territories.

As for NES, the 6 to one domination over the master system was largely down to the master system having very few games, very few arcade titles (at the time arcades were huge and the prospect of playing those games at home was a major win for nintendo), there just wasnt much of a push from Sega in marketing or really getting behind the master system either, nothing like the release of their next console, which was the first time Nintendo truly had any serious competition in the marketplace, and they haven't dominated the home console market since, all the way up until the Wii, and even then, despite impressive sales, it currently holds only a 7.7% market share lead over the PS3, in which case you can say "Its leading" but "Dominating" would be debatable.

I'm not bashing Nintendo of course, just keeping things in perspective.



STRYKIE said:
Michael-5 said:

Then order will be restored.

Nintendo deserves a decent Market share if they can push out the games. It was unfair when Gamecube sold so poorly, didn't get many multiplatform titles (despite being more powerful), but had great games. So far with the WiiU, Nintendo isn't giving this though, so if PS4 dominates, that's fine.

MS shouldn't do well, not even just because of the policies on the One, but because of the poor customer support, sudden stop of production of core games after Kinect, and continuous cash grabs they had going with the 360.


Nintendo brought that on themselves by going with an irrelevant storage medium, and a barebones controller, it had better specs than the PS2 on paper, but games like San Andreas would've been counter-intuitive as all hell if the GC had a port.

 

Plus, you seem to be forgetting that the original Xbox.... existed.

Irrelevent storage medium? Are you refering to the small disks? Most PS2 games would have fit on a single Gamecube disk you know that right? Heck a lot of early PS2 games aren't even DVD's, games like Twisted Metal Black are CD's.

How would grand theft auto be counter intuitive on Gamecube? I think the only reason it didn't get a port was because Nintendo was heavily against violence in video games back then. Gamecube did see True Crime release.

Either way, I won't deny Nintendo was largely at fault, but I blaim thier relationship with 3rd party's. Nintendo likes to make consoles without talking to them, and then expects them to make games for them....that's not how it works. So if WiiU fails, that's fine, no one was asking for a Gamepad, you can't mimic the DS and expect the same thing to happen.

If One fails because of the terrible launch, mandatory Kinect, and bad anti-gamer policies it originally had, and WiiU fails because of a Gamepad no one asked for and a lack of 3rd party support because of poor console planning, then I'll be happy if PS4 dominates. I don't want it to the point where it kicks Nintendo or MS out of the console war because competition make better products, but if Sony is the only one who listens to gamers, then why should MS or Nintendo systems sell well?



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I would be happy because Sony won't go under, with the ps4 saving them, however I think I would get annoyed by how smug sony fans might get.



We'd see a lot of people with the same attitude as Turkish was acting right now.



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Michael-5 said:
STRYKIE said:
Michael-5 said:

Then order will be restored.

Nintendo deserves a decent Market share if they can push out the games. It was unfair when Gamecube sold so poorly, didn't get many multiplatform titles (despite being more powerful), but had great games. So far with the WiiU, Nintendo isn't giving this though, so if PS4 dominates, that's fine.

MS shouldn't do well, not even just because of the policies on the One, but because of the poor customer support, sudden stop of production of core games after Kinect, and continuous cash grabs they had going with the 360.


Nintendo brought that on themselves by going with an irrelevant storage medium, and a barebones controller, it had better specs than the PS2 on paper, but games like San Andreas would've been counter-intuitive as all hell if the GC had a port.

 

Plus, you seem to be forgetting that the original Xbox.... existed.

Irrelevent storage medium? Are you refering to the small disks? Most PS2 games would have fit on a single Gamecube disk you know that right? Heck a lot of early PS2 games aren't even DVD's, games like Twisted Metal Black are CD's.

How would grand theft auto be counter intuitive on Gamecube? I think the only reason it didn't get a port was because Nintendo was heavily against violence in video games back then. Gamecube did see True Crime release.

Either way, I won't deny Nintendo was largely at fault, but I blaim thier relationship with 3rd party's. Nintendo likes to make consoles without talking to them, and then expects them to make games for them....that's not how it works. So if WiiU fails, that's fine, no one was asking for a Gamepad, you can't mimic the DS and expect the same thing to happen.

If One fails because of the terrible launch, mandatory Kinect, and bad anti-gamer policies it originally had, and WiiU fails because of a Gamepad no one asked for and a lack of 3rd party support because of poor console planning, then I'll be happy if PS4 dominates. I don't want it to the point where it kicks Nintendo or MS out of the console war because competition make better products, but if Sony is the only one who listens to gamers, then why should MS or Nintendo systems sell well?


I'm aware that most PS2 games used CDs at launch, I gave San Andreas as an example specifically because of the scale of the game, filling up an entire single layer DVD, there's no way it would've been done on a single mini-disc, and even 2 would've been debatable, hardly ideal for a GTA game.

And I didn't mean because of Nintendo's supposed kiddie image lol (especiially considering how hellbent they were on keeping RE games exclusive to the system), although I guess the infamous purple lunchbox moniker didn't help, I was referring to the GC controller itself because of the lack of pressure sensitive face buttons, awkward C-stick, and lacking several other inputs. As much as I like the GC controller for it's first party games, it was a chore for third party games. Even if the games it missed out on were ported, it'd seem trivial at best just to see if/how it could be done, and wouldn't have offered anything significant over the PS2/OG Xbox versions.

Point I'm making though, despite the N64 and GCN being more powerful architecturally, the PS1 and PS2 did essentially win those generations because they were better equipped to deliver what Nintendo couldn't, which is principally what's happening now with the Wii U. That's all I'm saying.



STRYKIE said:
Michael-5 said:

Irrelevent storage medium? Are you refering to the small disks? Most PS2 games would have fit on a single Gamecube disk you know that right? Heck a lot of early PS2 games aren't even DVD's, games like Twisted Metal Black are CD's.

How would grand theft auto be counter intuitive on Gamecube? I think the only reason it didn't get a port was because Nintendo was heavily against violence in video games back then. Gamecube did see True Crime release.

Either way, I won't deny Nintendo was largely at fault, but I blaim thier relationship with 3rd party's. Nintendo likes to make consoles without talking to them, and then expects them to make games for them....that's not how it works. So if WiiU fails, that's fine, no one was asking for a Gamepad, you can't mimic the DS and expect the same thing to happen.

If One fails because of the terrible launch, mandatory Kinect, and bad anti-gamer policies it originally had, and WiiU fails because of a Gamepad no one asked for and a lack of 3rd party support because of poor console planning, then I'll be happy if PS4 dominates. I don't want it to the point where it kicks Nintendo or MS out of the console war because competition make better products, but if Sony is the only one who listens to gamers, then why should MS or Nintendo systems sell well?


I'm aware that most PS2 games used CDs at launch, I gave San Andreas as an example specifically because of the scale of the game, filling up an entire single layer DVD, there's no way it would've been done on a single mini-disc, and even 2 would've been debatable, hardly ideal for a GTA game.

And I didn't mean because of Nintendo's supposed kiddie image lol (especiially considering how hellbent they were on keeping RE games exclusive to the system), although I guess the infamous purple lunchbox moniker didn't help, I was referring to the GC controller itself because of the lack of pressure sensitive face buttons, awkward C-stick, and lacking several other inputs. As much as I like the GC controller for it's first party games, it was a chore for third party games. Even if the games it missed out on were ported, it'd seem trivial at best just to see if/how it could be done, and wouldn't have offered anything significant over the PS2/OG Xbox versions.

Point I'm making though, despite the N64 and GCN being more powerful architecturally, the PS1 and PS2 did essentially win those generations because they were better equipped to deliver what Nintendo couldn't, which is principally what's happening now with the Wii U. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, I see what you mean with San Andreas now, but most PS2 games did not take up over 2GB, so most could have been easily ported to the Gamecube.

As for the Gamecube Controller, I'm sure a lot of JRPG's would have been fine with it. PS2 wasn't really a shooter box, and not many games took advantage of the dual analog, or pressure sensetive buttons.

As for what you're saying, yea I 100% agree with you about N64, FFVII is a great example, Gamecube I think image hurt them more then these small things. However you are right, the WiiU could have been a lot more successful if it could deliver a next gen experience, but instead it delivers a gamepad which few asked for. If the system had just been even a little more powerful, I'm sure 3rd party devs would develop for it.

Either way, if Sony dominates this gen, they deserve it. I think we can fully agree on this. Sony listens to 3rd party devs, and their gamers, and puts quality before profit.



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Frequency said:

the last time Sony consoles dominated, PS1 and PS2 we ended up with vast libraries of great games on a single system, despite buying all 3 I am all for that happening again.

It must be fairly frustrating for the hardcore Microsoft fan though, to be on top for much of this generation like the popular guy in highschool, then not only have the carpet swept from under your feet at the last second, but facing the prospect of spending the remainder of your college years in the shadow of the new mr popular, though the same was said for the PlayStation fan when mr popular ps2 got to college and his room mate Xbox 360 got all the girls - i suppose if were sticking with that theme in the end ps3 grew up and got rid of the acne, bottle-bottom glasses and became popular too.

You can call out xbox fans for their story changing avoidance tactic ways all you want though, just know and understand that if the tables were turned its the playstation fans that would be doing all of the defending, much like they did with the PS3 in the early days.

Only major difference here is that as a console brand, despite all of Microsofts piles of money, despite a matured and excellent network infrastructure, the PlayStation brand is just more widely liked around the world, evident from the PS3 playing catch up (but actually catching up) since the day it was launched, despite the higher press, less games and usually the crapper version of multiplats.

Launching with the opposite climate, the public favor, lower price point and virtually identical launch windows, the Xbox One doesnt stand a chance in the short or longterm, i just hope it does well enough sales wise to have a long and fruitful life as there are a fair number of promising and enjoyable IPs attached to them.

Anyone wishing their failure, are essentially wishing the demise of very good franchises, in which case you are wanting the destruction of games purely because those games arent on your chosen system, and you need to grow up.

Xbox fans that cling to the prospect that the xbox one has hidden power, or will match or even beat the ps4 this generation, also need to wake up and smell the coffee, it isnt bad to remain an xbox fan, not by a long shot, enjoy the console and enjoy the games, and playstation fans, we get it the PS4 is more powerful, and is most likely going to sweep this generation with ease, its obvious so shut up and play your games theres no need to kick others while theyre down, just be realistic about things or regardless of which side youre on, or which side comes out on top, you move from being a fan to being a fanboy.


Underrated post.