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dandd said:
dsgrue3 said:
dandd said:
Either way you choose its based on faith in something.

Neither position can be conclusively proven, so why not live and let live?

Believing based upon a mountain of evidence isn't faith. <-Evolution

Belief based upon fucking nothing is faith. <- creationism

Do you not understand the difference?

The difference is you choose to have faith in scientific theory and dismiss anything else. Your quote "based upon fucking nothing" proves it.

Okay, then you simply don't understand what religious faith is.

If you're going to use faith in such a liberal way just call it a belief. The scientific method works, it is demonstrably true so more accurately I trust it. It has earned that trust through every bit of scientific invention. Planes fly, computers compute, cars drive, the list is really endless. 

I dismiss anything that has no evidence. That's how rational minds work.



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I believe in God, but I have also believed in evolution ever since I was a young child.

There is no need to have the two at odds with each other. Even the earliest Christians didn't believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis. Even the proto Christians wrote about how Genesis was allegorical.



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Jumpin said:
I believe in God, but I have also believed in evolution ever since I was a young child.

There is no need to have the two at odds with each other. Even the earliest Christians didn't believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis. Even the proto Christians wrote about how Genesis was allegorical.


How can you believe in both?



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It's pretty easy to believe in both, actually. So long as you don't take the Old Testament as literal history (which you shouldn't. When it was called the Torah, Jews did NOT take it as history, but as a spiritual guide open for interpretation) there is nothing about evolution that contradicts Christian faith.

 

 

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Leadified said:
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People believe what they want. As for me evolution is one of the biggest lies of the last 100 years or so.

A lot of people commenting on this topic seem to have a lot of pride. Haven't you heard pride blinds?

That said, I don't believe in evolution because I actually took time to read the counter arguments and the supposed contradictions and counter evidence. I am not going to blindly believe something because a lot of so called scientists, who tend to be held as infallible, wise men, say it is true. I am going to critically take a look at their evidence. If the evidence supports their claims then I will tend to believe it is true.

Now let me explain what I mean by evolution. I mean that all life evolved from some single cell. Bacteria adapting to antibiotics is not the evolution I am talking about.

Here are a few reasons why I think evolution is a lie and the evolution story people have been fed is a fairytale:

-reasons-


So with all these foundational expectations of evolutionists contradicted with recent scientific findings, don't you think it's time for to adopt a new theory? Where does the buck stop? If all of this doesn't falsify evolution then what will?

See, I actually did some homework. So please don't say or imply that all people who disbelieve the evolution story are ignorant or never read a scientific publication. I don't think I am more wise,  intelligent, or better than you because we differ on the varacity of the evolution story. Nor do I begrudge or insult, or scoff at you.

I can post a whole lot more information that totally destroys the evolution story even more so (at least for me), but who is going to really read a lot of it? This is a fundamentally a video game forum after all.

I suggest everyone who seeks the truth to take some time and do their own deep studying on the subject matter and come to their own conclusion.



Many of the people who you quoted are infact evolutionary biologists who are not againist the theory of evolution but seek to expand upon it, by questioning some things which do not seem to match current observations, that's how science works.  Did you know that Darwin did not know about genes? This doesn't mean that genes suddenly disprove evolution. I recommend you look over your homework and do research on what evolution is before you come to these conclusions which you do not seem to understand.


I have done my homework. Have you? Have you really?

 

Of course I quoted evolutionists because if I quoted ID or Creationoist scientists people  would dismiss them.

Even out of evolutionists' own mouth their own theory has huge gaping holes everywhere. They can still believe it happened but it's not supported hard scientific evidence.

I'm curious: how old do you think the universe is?



AstroGamer said:
The problem is that evolution and creationism don't really conflict. The poll probably wasn't worded the best as I doubt a significant portion of Americans take Genesis at face value. I'm personally moreso in the first option. There's also a bunch of fallacies within evolutionary theory such of a significant lack of intermediate species in the fossil record which don't make evolution the absolute most correct option. I guess the issue is do you agree with the one that can be proven but has some fallacies or taking the one that has very little evidence but also not many fallacies.

It speaks for itself man, 46% of people in the US take Genesis literally.

Your bewilderment is not an argument against the fact placed in front of you. 

You don't seem to know much about the evidence for evolution because you point to fossils, which aren't even necessary. They are nice for the layman because they are visual, but without any fossils at all the theory has all the evidence it needs in DNA.

Do you realize we're lucky to have any fossils at all? To expect a perfect record of intermediate states it completely asinine. If you want a collection of intermediate fossils go here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html

There are no fallacies in evolution. I challenge you to name any. And lack of fossil evidence isn't a fallacy anymore than lack of god evidence is a fallacy.



Now that I think about it more, there is not exactly a huge difference between devout believers of creationism and evolution. They just both require faith. One requires faith in an ancient book and the other requires faith in that scientists are not bullshitting you. Simply because it is reported by a scientist or experts, many people will just believe. Heck, if a bunch of scientists decided to announce that ingesting mercury will give you stronger muscles with a bunch of seemingly realistic figures, there is not many who wouldn't believe them. I'm sure scientists fudge their numbers a little all the time. I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in anything, I'm just saying do not take any source for an absolute truth



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AstroGamer said:
Now that I think about it more, there is not exactly a huge difference between devout believers of creationism and evolution. They just both require faith. One requires faith in an ancient book and the other requires faith in that scientists are not bullshitting you. Simply because it is reported by a scientist or experts, many people will just believe. Heck, if a bunch of scientists decided to announce that ingesting mercury will give you stronger muscles with a bunch of seemingly realistic figures, there is not many who wouldn't believe them. I'm sure scientists fudge their numbers a little all the time. I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in anything, I'm just saying do not take any source for an absolute truth

Religious faith is belief without evidence. I've heard people call it "evidence in things unseen." 

Evolution is built upon a mountain of evidence. Maybe review my previous post to you about it - you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Just go review the evidence yourself - not hard.

Hilarious quip at the end - that's exactly what theists do...take their holy book as absolute truth. Your hypocrisy is profound, sir.

Please stop speaking from total ignorance on matters you clearly can't fathom.



dsgrue3 said:
AstroGamer said:
Now that I think about it more, there is not exactly a huge difference between devout believers of creationism and evolution. They just both require faith. One requires faith in an ancient book and the other requires faith in that scientists are not bullshitting you. Simply because it is reported by a scientist or experts, many people will just believe. Heck, if a bunch of scientists decided to announce that ingesting mercury will give you stronger muscles with a bunch of seemingly realistic figures, there is not many who wouldn't believe them. I'm sure scientists fudge their numbers a little all the time. I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in anything, I'm just saying do not take any source for an absolute truth

Religious faith is belief without evidence. I've heard people call it "evidence in things unseen." 

Evolution is built upon a mountain of evidence. Maybe review my previous post to you about it - you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Just go review the evidence yourself - not hard.

Hilarious quip at the end - that's exactly what theists do...take their holy book as absolute truth. Your hypocrisy is profound, sir.

Please stop speaking from total ignorance on matters you clearly can't fathom.


Mountains of evidence that you have never seen aside from articles dude. Also, its my point that theists and atheists in general do take things at face value without making sure. The smart person can make a doubt. Also, look at you immediately getting on the defensive despite me not attacking atheists but rather ignorant people.



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