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dandd said:
dsgrue3 said:
dandd said:
Either way you choose its based on faith in something.

Neither position can be conclusively proven, so why not live and let live?

Believing based upon a mountain of evidence isn't faith. <-Evolution

Belief based upon fucking nothing is faith. <- creationism

Do you not understand the difference?

The difference is you choose to have faith in scientific theory and dismiss anything else. Your quote "based upon fucking nothing" proves it.

The difference between scientific theory and religious doctrine is that scientific theiry is subject to change in the presence of new facts or evidence. Religion only changes their doctrine if it's in danger of becoming culturally irrelevant.



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OooSnap said:


I have done my homework. Have you? Have you really?

 

Of course I quoted evolutionists because if I quoted ID or Creationoist scientists people  would dismiss them.

Even out of evolutionists' own mouth their own theory has huge gaping holes everywhere. They can still believe it happened but it's not supported hard scientific evidence.

A lot of your quotes can be found, in order, on creationist sites. I very much doubt your claim of doing research and homework. That implies you took the time to research the actual papers these scientists wrote, not read a few quotes taken out of context by a creationist supporter. The ID advocates you have quoted also fail to impress the scientific community. 

You seem to believe the Theory of Evolution is finished and not open for discussion. The model is constantly being changed, many of the people you quoted have actually contributed to this. Yes there are holes (small ones), yes it isn't perfect, but the general outlines of the theory are globally agreed upon (because it has been rigourously tested).



gergroy said:
Meh, I would argue that one doesnt neccessarily contradict the other. Basically the first option in that poll. I pretty much believe that god created through the use of evolution.

Why?



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Areym said:
I guess 46% believes in the toothfairy and santa claus too.

All joking aside, I think A sounds the most reasonable to me. Well, I think it's something along the lines of God created the universe and whatnot by whatever means. In doing so, each individual planet, solar system, galaxy, etc had a different way of evolving. Basically, he made the earth and let it run its course it without his involvement apart from its creation.

Why do you believe that god was needed?



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Max King of the Wild said:
I read the graph as 78% believe in it.

Also, who said its a problem? Because it hardly is

Yes indeed. Both views are considered Creationism in my book.



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fordy said:
dandd said:
dsgrue3 said:
dandd said:
Either way you choose its based on faith in something.

Neither position can be conclusively proven, so why not live and let live?

Believing based upon a mountain of evidence isn't faith. <-Evolution

Belief based upon fucking nothing is faith. <- creationism

Do you not understand the difference?

The difference is you choose to have faith in scientific theory and dismiss anything else. Your quote "based upon fucking nothing" proves it.

The difference between scientific theory and religious doctrine is that scientific theiry is subject to change in the presence of new facts or evidence. Religion only changes their doctrine if it's in danger of becoming culturally irrelevant.


Well, what is wrong with wating for new facts or evidence? 


Why is everyone so concerned with concesus on everything? 



dandd said:
fordy said:
dandd said:
dsgrue3 said:
dandd said:
Either way you choose its based on faith in something.

Neither position can be conclusively proven, so why not live and let live?

Believing based upon a mountain of evidence isn't faith. <-Evolution

Belief based upon fucking nothing is faith. <- creationism

Do you not understand the difference?

The difference is you choose to have faith in scientific theory and dismiss anything else. Your quote "based upon fucking nothing" proves it.

The difference between scientific theory and religious doctrine is that scientific theiry is subject to change in the presence of new facts or evidence. Religion only changes their doctrine if it's in danger of becoming culturally irrelevant.


Well, what is wrong with wating for new facts or evidence? 


Why is everyone so concerned with concesus on everything? 


Waiting for new facts?

Newsflash....new facts always keeps coming. They never stop. Even the discoveries at the Large Hadron Collider tweaked a few things about the Theory of Gravity, decades after it's last change (I believe in accordance with Einstein's Theory of Relativity).

That's why science is an ongoing thing. Always will be.



The problem is that evolution and creationism don't really conflict. The poll probably wasn't worded the best as I doubt a significant portion of Americans take Genesis at face value. I'm personally moreso in the first option. There's also a bunch of fallacies within evolutionary theory such of a significant lack of intermediate species in the fossil record which don't make evolution the absolute most correct option. I guess the issue is do you agree with the one that can be proven but has some fallacies or taking the one that has very little evidence but also not many fallacies.



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Eh, lots of noise in the trend here. I don't see a sharp spike in creationism, I see two recent outliers in a fairly flat series.

Actually, the rise of atheism (if we can interpret that as evolution sans God) is the only clear trend here, moving from around 10% in the 80s and 90s to around 15% nowadays.



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