The way I see it, M$ is trying hard to make it seem like the gap between both is smaller than it actually is. No Sony representative has came out to say exactly how powerful the PS4 is against the competition so I guess it can be both a positive or negative thing, depending how you want to look at things. One thing for sure though is that the gap is wider than it is with the PS3 and X360. I suppose as games start releasing, we will see it.

And come on, a rough 40% more in power is something. I'd imagine Forza has a bigger budget so it would be natural for Turn 10 to optimize with available resources and time; so a comparison to Driveclub isn't entirely fair. However, inFamous Second Son looks ahead everything if you ask me.

Semantics...

If xbox has weaker graphics, it loses the graphics war.
If despite losing the graphics war, it sells better, then it wins the console war.

#Bam

How do you know the size of the gap?

Have you play both versions of a game? Are you a developer? Have you heard a developer saying "50% more resoluiton or 50% more FPS"? 

Sorry I have to point to you. But that is the mind share of people at internet foruns. They are so poisened against anything Microsoft says and does that a simple racional statement "Wait for the games" is treated as a offence.

It´s beyond my mind to understand why people belive so blindly in a graphical discrepancy. And even it there are it would be noticeable to any normal human.

Yes. there is a difference between those games. Knack, drive club, Killzone, infamous, and basically every exlcusive on the ps4 are all 1080p

Forza 1080p, Ryse 900p, killer instinct 720p, dead rising "dynamic res" 

So just look at the basic specs, there is a huge difference. And the more in depth specs of the games will set the even further apart. Not to mention that the ps4 is also cheaper, so it would have the right to be 10% less powerful and still be fairly priced. Even if the ps4 is only 5% stronger, it's still stronger and cheaper! And also, if you can't see the difference between those resolutions, then you're clearly blind. I'm betting forza adn drive club will look pretty similar, but there is a very big diffference in games. Also, if you're comparing graphics based on youtube, you lost already. 

Epic fail.. Attempting to find logic failed.

Geeze I thought this was going to be a technical presentation showing that in fact Xb one really does have special sauce. But instead it's a hopelessly contrived argument attempting to claim that a more expensive console with less graphics power (whether noticeable or not) is somehow a win for MS O_o.

In the end the only winning to be had is market penetration. No one can claim a winner yet, but according to all reports Sony is leading the pre-start in terms of pre-order numbers.

 I thought that that eventually became the general concensus that PS3 was more powerful. At least it showed in terms of AAA exclusives. Even an Xbox fan can't deny that titles like Killzone 3, God of War: A, Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 3, and TLoU were second to none on the console front. Especially the last 2.  It doesn't really matter, obviously; especially at this point where even the best looking console titles look outdated. It's not to say that 360 somehow sucked because it was somewhat less powerful; it still has some fantastic and gorgeous looking games, so who cares? 

As for the OP, this post really makes zero sense. You claim that XBone and PS4 are the same, yet XBone somehow wins? I mean, let's be realistic for a second. XBone really hasn't shown much that looks that much better than current gen. You can't tell me that the particle effects and level of detail in Killzone, Knack, inFAMOUS, Driveclub and Deep Down havn't completely blown your mind, all of which are running 1080p and 60 FPS. With the recent downgrade (and yes it was a downgrade) in Ryse, the game doesn't look that much better than God of War: A. Killer Instinct looks alright, but once again, not much better than what we've seen on 7 year old hardware. Excellent particle effects, but not much more. Forza 5 kindof loses it's beauty when it's not running on a PC. I mean I can keep going, but let's be realistic for a second. Launch titles are all going to seem relatively on par between the systems, but once Sony's main first party makes it to the fight, it's pretty going to be endgame. The hardware is more powerful, and they're going to know how to use it. We already know this.

Yeah lots of people believe blindly that the gap is large, but you are doing the opposite and believing it's small.

It's a noticeable gap.

Based on launch titles that are not out yet?? You're trying too hard LMAO. Sad thread.

The issue here is the so-called graphics war and the evidence thus far that there is going to be no significant difference between the two systems despite the difference on paper.  This parity could be a claimed victory if the Xbox1 was providing better value while still providing the same quality graphics i.e. a relative victory.  This value could be in the form of a lower price or higher overall perceived value by the consumer e.g. Kinect 2.

At the moment the price advantage is with Sony, with the value-add for Kinect 2 yet to be determined, so to claim this as a graphics war victory is premature.  If the Xbox1 dominates the PS4 in sales in it's opening week then we can revisit claims of a (relative) graphics war victory.