No because holding a small select group of peoples opinions over everyone else’s is bullshit.  And we could argue sales and fanbase but they don't support your's now do they?

I will try to explain something but you guys will disagree with me but well I will try...

More gamers didn't like Sim Racing... they think games like Forza and GT boring and not addictive... they prefer N4S, Mario Kart, Horizons, DriveClub, etc over GT or Forza.

With that in mind remember something...

Forza is critical acclaimed a better game than GT5 but otherwise GT5 is critical acclaimaed a better sim racing.

So if you are a sim racing fan what game you will buy? Most people gets what the best on what they are looking for... when they think "I want to buy a sim racing" most choose "GT5"... now if the people "I want to buy a racing game" maybe they choose "Forza".

It is not too hard to undersdand... all specialized racing simulation magazines in US says GT5 driving phisics simulations are top nouch.

Edit - About your edit... if I don't create the thread nobody will create... after that MS fans will complain about the lack of Xbone news in the site... I know I get a bit over myself in these threads but I think it is better to have it than nothing... the video is in the OP download a make a comment without added GT to the case because is not even in the next-gen.

An 11.5 vs. a 12.5 (Inside Sim Racing physics score for F4 and GT5) is hardly "water to wine" ethomaz...

Let's be realistic here. GT definitely has the better physics, but it is not on another level or anything like that, they are actually pretty close.

Anyways let's all try to keep the Gran Turismo talk to a minimum seeing as this thread is a thread about Forza 5, not Gran Turismo.

Forza 4 had pretty good music also.  Here is how I would rank the music of all the Forza games I have played so far:

1. Forza Horizon (not the type of music I regularly listen to but it has some great tracks)

2. Forza 4 (pretty good instrumental tracks)

3. Forza 2 (a few good tracks my favorite is "Gone Daddy Gone" by Gnarls Barkley)

4. Forza 3 (nothing but obsucre indie stuff but some people like it)

Looks very nice! Fans of Forza will be very happy. One of the few games that might persuade me down the line to get the X180

Will you buy an Xbox One in order to play Forza?

I don't see relation with my post but I will play Forza 5 before buy a Xbone (and year I played all the Forza games released so far... Forza 4 I played little and Forza 3 a lot BTW...)... I don't have plans to play it in 2014 at least.

Just can't be helped can it....?

Every single Forza thread I have ever seen here turns into a Forza vs GT debate. One side mad that their game doesn't get as much critical acclaim, the other side mad that their game doesn't sell gangbusters. One side talk up physics, the other side talks up features. Blablabla and so on and so forth.

Guess what. They're both the best in class at what they do. GT is best pure simulation racer on any system. Forza is the best all around racing game on any system. My god it's ridiculous how defensive people get about rival exclusives, and will start trying to pick out any little flaw and advantage on some of the most critically acclaimed franchises.

We all get how this works by now don't we? Xbox fans swear by Forza, Sony fans swear by GT, and yet somehow everyone constantly feels they have to explain to the other side that their shit is better.

Nobody is ever gonna win that argument. EVER.
NEVER EVER EVER!!!!

New video... Forza 5 Rollovers made by gamers at Eurogamer Expo.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/27/new-forza-motorsport-5-gameplay-video-shows-a-rollover-for-the-first-time/

Not impressed by the direct feed it looks worse than what we've already seen and really need to see it @60fps to appreciate it. I wasn't too impressed by the Driveclub direct feed either but it looks better than this one though it is a 30fps game.

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_driveclub_dusk_racing_in_chile-14613_en.html