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KHlover on 22 July 2013
superchunk said:
Zkuq said:

the fundamental problem isn't porn, it's bad parents

This is the only problem and solution.

Gov't should not ever censor anything. They are not responsible for parenting and giving up that right is just asking to lose all rights to your lives.

Parents need to be responsible for their children and as such make their own filter options.

Win7+ makes this freaking simple as pie. All my kid's accounts are censored by me, as their parent, I block that ish and montior what they do. They also know their boundaries and recently even had youtube unblocked because they have proven they will use it for appropriate material.

Jup. We already had filtering programs for porn and many other websites over 10 years ago when I was still a child (damn, where did the time go?). Why should all citizens be punished for the inability of a few to take the already existing measures? That's ridiculous.



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TheLastStarFighter on 22 July 2013
Zkuq said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Zkuq said:

Hide all the harmful things, eh? How about giving parents guidance first so they could give some to children? Or maybe give children guidance at school? Kids will get guidance if there's willpower to do it. Hiding everything harmful isn't "stepping in", it's avoiding the problem. It's also exaggerating the problem because like I said, kids aren't made of glass. And then there's the thing: How do you think we're going to have mature adults when kids learn the world is a perfect place, nothing is wrong, and they never learn to cope with harder things. If anything, we'll end up with helpless adults if we overprotect our children.

I'm not saying violence and porn are fine for kids. I'm saying they'll learn to cope with it. They just need guidance and a proper amount of protection, that's all. If they don't get those two, they probably have bigger issues than seeing porn.

Again, the fundamental problem is that you think you can depend on the parents.

In that case, the fundamental problem isn't porn, it's bad parents. As far as I know, people used to be able to parent their children. Now, not so much, it feels. Maybe instead figure out what's wrong with parents? Don't you find it a bigger problem than porn?


Absolutely.  When you figure out how to fix bad parents, let me know.  Until then I'm happy with the gov't dealing with porn.  And I don't have a problem with having to call my IP to unlock the ability for me to view a little 5-way lesbian action.



brendude13 on 22 July 2013
superchunk said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Only if you post it online.

At least I remember stories about 14-year old girls who were accused for producing and spreading child pornography - they took pictures of themselves naked and sent those to guys. The guys were accused for owning child pornography.

False.

If you are under 18 and take a nude picture of yourself, you have just commited child pornography and could go to jail.

There are many example of this where some teen takes a pic and shares or not but ALL parties get in trouble and go to jail.

Hahahaha. That's ridiculous.

It reminds me of age ratings for games. You can join the Army, but you can't play Call of Duty. You can have sex, but you can't take a picture of it.



NiKKoM on 22 July 2013

On a serious note i find it scary that goverments will go this far to block stuff from the internet "for the children".. Its a small step for any politician to try to block the islam "for security" .. And it looks incredible silly if the UK condems countries like China and some middle east countries for filtering the internet while they themself are also doing it..



 

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phinch1 on 22 July 2013
Deyon said:
phinch1 said:
why block porn, but not terrorist websites, websites on making bombs, hate preaching websites and child pornography

They don't block child pornography websites?

Say whaaa?!?!


I don't know lol  i can safley say ive never checked, just when people get caught with it on their computers im guessing it comes from somewhere



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Scoobes on 22 July 2013
Serious_frusting said:
I am sure this will put a lot of parents at ease. If you want to watch porn you can just deactivate this parental lock thing.

I do not see the issue here. Its a good thing.

That's probably the worst part actually. It lulls parents in a false sense of security and makes them assume their kids are protected rather than keepings tabs and actually parenting. There are always methods to get around blocks; just look at the pirate bay, blocked... but not really.

The other point is what to ban and what not to ban. Who decides what constitutes porn? Who decides what's harmful? It sets a bad prescedent.




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Mr Khan on 22 July 2013

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Scoobes on 22 July 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
Zkuq said:

In that case, the fundamental problem isn't porn, it's bad parents. As far as I know, people used to be able to parent their children. Now, not so much, it feels. Maybe instead figure out what's wrong with parents? Don't you find it a bigger problem than porn?


Absolutely.  When you figure out how to fix bad parents, let me know.  Until then I'm happy with the gov't dealing with porn.  And I don't have a problem with having to call my IP to unlock the ability for me to view a little 5-way lesbian action.

Don't you think this'll make things worse? It makes ignorant parents think their kids are safe online when any teenager with half a brain will be able to figure out how to circumvent the ban... then they'll show their friends and the problem persists.




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Zkuq on 22 July 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
Zkuq said:

In that case, the fundamental problem isn't porn, it's bad parents. As far as I know, people used to be able to parent their children. Now, not so much, it feels. Maybe instead figure out what's wrong with parents? Don't you find it a bigger problem than porn?

Absolutely.  When you figure out how to fix bad parents, let me know.  Until then I'm happy with the gov't dealing with porn.  And I don't have a problem with having to call my IP to unlock the ability for me to view a little 5-way lesbian action.

The first step would be giving them some responsibility. The second step, if you really think laws are the solution to everything, would be having being a bad parent punishable - with severe punishments to enforce it. I'd prefer education, though.

Also, I don't live in the UK but I know I wouldn't have a problem with calling my IP to unlock porn. Well, I'm not sure if that would really be possible since I'm using the same network as the university... But anyway. My problem is with censorship in general and the fact that it's on by default. If it was off by default, I wouldn't be complaining. But then there's also the thing that kids are pretty smart, they'll get their way around this, especially considering there's just no way all porn is getting blocked. If anything, there'll be the shadier types of porn left that kids can watch, and I bet that's a real problem.



Mr Khan on 22 July 2013
Zkuq said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Zkuq said:

In that case, the fundamental problem isn't porn, it's bad parents. As far as I know, people used to be able to parent their children. Now, not so much, it feels. Maybe instead figure out what's wrong with parents? Don't you find it a bigger problem than porn?

Absolutely.  When you figure out how to fix bad parents, let me know.  Until then I'm happy with the gov't dealing with porn.  And I don't have a problem with having to call my IP to unlock the ability for me to view a little 5-way lesbian action.

The first step would be giving them some responsibility. The second step, if you really think laws are the solution to everything, would be having being a bad parent punishable - with severe punishments to enforce it. I'd prefer education, though.

Also, I don't live in the UK but I know I wouldn't have a problem with calling my IP to unlock porn. Well, I'm not sure if that would really be possible since I'm using the same network as the university... But anyway. My problem is with censorship in general and the fact that it's on by default. If it was off by default, I wouldn't be complaining. But then there's also the thing that kids are pretty smart, they'll get their way around this, especially considering there's just no way all porn is getting blocked. If anything, there'll be the shadier types of porn left that kids can watch, and I bet that's a real problem.

That's a good question, actually. What about people who are using University Networks, where they don't have any actual relationship with the service provider?



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