ListerOfSmeg said:
riderz13371 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
What we expected was a Superman Movie. What we got is a hero who tries to never kill, killing and ruining the franchise from here on out. If he is just going to kill anyone he doesn't agree with or doesn't want to hurt someone that wont leave much room for anything else to come later on if he follows the same path.
Whats sad is how some people love the movie simply because it has action, while having little to no story, no chemistry between Louis and Clark, a complete disregard for the character.
Lets forget how the character and story were butchered and just focus on the pretty effects.
Yes at first I was just happy we got a decent Superman movie but after thinking about it more we really didn't. What we got was a Superman that resorts to killing if only a few people are threatened. Whats he going to do when Lex Luther threatens the world? Just simply kill him like he did Zod in the first one.
Worst part of the whole movie is when he cant stop Zod from moving his head but manages to move it hard enough in the opposite direction to completely break it. If he could move his neck enough to break it he could have moved his line of sight away from those people and never resorted to killing. |
Okay genius tell me this. He would have moved his head which would have left the family to survive. What would have happened next? Zod would magically turn into a nice guy and turn to Superman asking him to be friends? NO GENIUS! He would just continue on causing destruction and killing INNOCENT PEOPLE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?! He killed Zod because he didn't have a choice!
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No what you dont understand is he killed to save 5 people. Whats going to stop him from just killing any other enemy that comes before him? Oh Luther you want to set off a bomb and kill everyone? Dead.
No he didnt kill Zod because he didnt have a choice. He never even explored any other option.
You just dont get it. He is Superman. He does the impossible. He always finds a way, thats why he is Superman. He is better than your average human.
He only had to because that is how the story was written. They could have added kryptonite and had someone help Superman expsoe them to it and then him imprison them. He could have done what they did in the original Superman 2 that had Zod in it. Any writer that actually knew the character and what he stood for could have written a better way around getting rid of Zod then that. Why not bansih him to the phantom zone again?
In the few times Superman killed in the past, the odds were much greater than 1 family. Take any other plot from any other movie and Superman would just kill people before the second act to stop there from ever being anyone in danger.
I know Superman 4 is a horrible movie but even in that movie he manages to not resort to killing something just as powerful as him. If even the really bad ones can manage to keep his character intact, I see no reason the "good"ones cant
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I was reading the thread and saw this comment. You say alot of things that I've heard elsewhere. I'm just going to jump in with my two cents.
I've been a Superman fan since I was a little kid. That means that I've read the comics, watched the movies, bought the toys, watched the cartoons, etc. People have expressed their problems with Superman killing Zod. The thing is, Superman killed Zod in Superman II and he killed Zod in the old comic from like 1986 or something. Superman just can't get enough of killing General Zod!
So, in Man of Steel, did Superman (who has only been "Superman" as we know him for a couple of days and isn't very experienced, yet) kill Zod to save five people or did Superman kill Zod because Zod said HE WAS GOING TO KILL EVERYBODY. We know that Zod was raised to protect Kryptonians. With no Kryptonians left, Zod said out of his own mouth that he no longer has a purpose except to kill. Zod had become Doomsday and comic book fans know that Doomsday is just destruction incarnate. Thousands died in the Superman vs Doomsday fight (comics, not cartoon) when Doomsday went on his rampage and Metropolis got destroyed. Same goes for Superman.
And, for people wanting their corny "Look up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane!" Superman, that guy was long gone except to people that just watched 80'scartoons. The character has evolved way beyond that. Superman no longer has all of the answers. He deals with people that consider him a god, racism, xenophobia, choosing between two catastrophes at once, etc.
Bottom line: I agree that the writing could have been better but virtually everything except for Jonathan Kent being a dumbass comes from the comics or the DC Direct cartoons.
