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MohammadBadir said:
Barozi said:

First of all they never said that FB2 barely run on WiiU.
They said the results weren't too promising, which could mean a lot of things.
What obvious is however that it didn't run as great as on other platforms, but nothing that couldn't be fixed with putting more work into it and/or downgrading the games.
But as they said in article in the OP, it wouldn't be worth it for them, since the userbase is low, it would be too much work/investment for little (if any) profit, and they don't want their engine to look ugly.

FB3 is on top of that more scalable. You're mistakenly thinking that a new version automatically means that it's more demanding, which is not necessarily true or how is it possible that BF3 on PS360 looks better than BF:Bad Company on PS360 even though BF3 runs on FB2 and Bad Company on FB1 (while both having the same resolution and framerate) ?

Another example would be that CryEngine 3 is less demanding than CryEngine 2.

but isn't them deciding not to run FB3 on the Wii U because FB2 didn't have promising results a bit contradicting? XD

Not necessarily. They had FB2 on the platform (which costed time and money) with medium success and didn't try FB3 because it would've taken just as much work as FB2 initially and then some more to get it running in a state where it was actually usable for the game developers.
While I admit the twitter post sounds a bit contradicting, he didn't explicitly say that they didn't try it because FB2 ran like crap. "Results" could mean a lot of things and is most likely a combination of the aforementioned time/money/profit but of course also how well the engine is running.


Best explained in that interview already:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5487576



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oniyide said:
AZWification said:
RolStoppable said:
AZWification said:

   Screw EA. Just a bunch of contradicting idiots.   I will  be giving them an amount of money because I am buying Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 though. Those are the ONLY EA games I am buying. Forget Dragon Age,  forget Battlefield, forget Mass Effect and FORGET DEAD SPACE.

If only everyone had as much willpower as you.

        Yep and nobody can really blame me for Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 because those are like..... one of the most hyped games ever! Specially Battlefront 3. Games like that, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Eternal Darkness 2 are always going to be on my  list no matter how greedy the companies behind them are.

i think he was being sarcastic

          Even if he was, I still would have more willpower than the typical guy who buys every Mass Effect or Battlefield day 1 FULL PRICE.



                
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Zero999 said:
twilight_link said:
there is no market for multiplatform games on Nintendo platforms, even if they turn WiiU to success, this ship sailed generations ago.

I expect after this Christmas even Ubisoft will terminate any support

butthurt, butthurt everywhere.


Butthurt? no, its just plain fact Nintendo fans are generaly uninterested in multiplatform content, it's truth since SNES days.



This is still going on. Damn. Here it is again, for anyone who actually wants to take few minutes to read their stance on the matter:

"With none of EA's major spring slate headed to Wii U and just the delayed port of Need for Speed: Most Wanted still left on the horizon, the unprecedented relationship was very much on the rocks. EA cemented the break-up with its next announcement: that its upcoming major wave of games would run on DICE's Frostbite 3 engine, which it claimed was not Wii U-compatible. The framework will be used in 15 upcoming titles, including Battlefield 4, Need for Speed: Rivals, Mass Effect 4, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mirror's Edge and its unannounced Star Wars games. Wii U will miss out on them all.

By way of explanation, DICE technical director Johan Andersson claimed via Twitter that "FB3 has never been running on Wii U. We did some tests with not too promising results with FB2 and chose not to go down that path." Would EA now have the same technical problems with Frostbite on Wii U had the console been selling like hot cakes? Or was EA simply eyeing a less-than-spectacular return on Wii U releases? "It's both," Patrick Bach, executive producer of Battlefield at DICE told Eurogamer.

"If the Wii U was immensely popular we would probably put more focus into seeing how we could mitigate this, because it is a technical problem," Bach said. "It is a technical problem at its core because the Frostbite engine is not designed to run on that hardware, and the hardware is quite different from the next-gen consoles and the previous gen consoles."

But the Wii U is at least as powerful as current generation consoles and Frostbite 3 is designed to be scalable - we'll see current-gen versions of Battlefield 4, for example. With Frostbite 2 appearing to work on Wii U fine, does the argument about having technical difficulties really still stand up?

"From our perspective it's not as powerful as it should be to be able to run a Battlefield game," Bach responded. "Straight out of the box, as in Frostbite 3, it doesn't run that well on the Wii U, which means it takes a lot of time and energy from us that would then take from something else.

"So, we made the decision to say, no, let's not take away the focus from the PlayStations and the Xboxes and the PCs to do this. At the end of the day it's about focus and priorities. If we could press a button to move it over to Wii U, of course we could make a Wii U SKU, but it would take some substantial time to do it. I know some fans get very upset when we say that, but it's true. There's a reason why not all games are on the Wii U platform."

And again, should Nintendo turn around Wii U's fortunes, DICE is open to returning to the platform, Bach concluded.

"Absolutely. Of course. There's no reason why we couldn't focus down and make a Nintendo GameBoy version of it as well. It's all about where you put your focus and how you scale things. Where do you scale down? Where do you put your team efforts?

"We need to do what is right for the franchise and what feels right in our gut. If you have to scale your game down in the wrong places too much, then you lose some of the core values of what your game stands for. It's complicated. It's more complicated than people would like it to be. I would love for us to be able to be on Samsung TVs as well, but we have to draw the line somewhere."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-ea-and-nintendo-the-collapse-of-the-unprecedented-relationship



its all about the money/ Plain simple. Wii-u is powerful enough, but the group of people that bought it isn't. When it hits 20 million units things will change.



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twilight_link said:
Zero999 said:
twilight_link said:
there is no market for multiplatform games on Nintendo platforms, even if they turn WiiU to success, this ship sailed generations ago.

I expect after this Christmas even Ubisoft will terminate any support

butthurt, butthurt everywhere.


Butthurt? no, its just plain fact Nintendo fans are generaly uninterested in multiplatform content, it's truth since SNES days.

Yup, that must be the reason why Just Dance on the Wii destroyed any other platform, LEGO Star Wars on the Wii outsold the PS3 and Xbox360 version combined, Guitar Hero III sold best on the Wii, Sonic games generally sold best on the Wii, Skylanders and its successors sold best on the Wii etc.

I've not even bothered to research the NDS yet...



KHlover said:
twilight_link said:
Zero999 said:
twilight_link said:
there is no market for multiplatform games on Nintendo platforms, even if they turn WiiU to success, this ship sailed generations ago.

I expect after this Christmas even Ubisoft will terminate any support

butthurt, butthurt everywhere.


Butthurt? no, its just plain fact Nintendo fans are generaly uninterested in multiplatform content, it's truth since SNES days.

Yup, that must be the reason why Just Dance on the Wii destroyed any other platform, LEGO Star Wars on the Wii outsold the PS3 and Xbox360 version combined, Guitar Hero III sold best on the Wii, Sonic games generally sold best on the Wii, Skylanders and its successors sold best on the Wii etc.

I've not even bothered to research the NDS yet...


i partially agree with all except Just Dance it was not typical Nintendo fan franchise, it was franchise appealing to extended audience that was widespread on Wii.

3rd parties of course can find success (hence the word generally) on Nintendo platforms with high quality content that has appeal to Nintendo fans



We're saying FB2 was challenging to get running on U doesn't mean FB3 will be a challenge, but then we're saying that they tried FB2 first, which makes no lick of sense.

From both an engineering and a business perspective........



AZWification said:
oniyide said:
AZWification said:
RolStoppable said:
AZWification said:

   Screw EA. Just a bunch of contradicting idiots.   I will  be giving them an amount of money because I am buying Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 though. Those are the ONLY EA games I am buying. Forget Dragon Age,  forget Battlefield, forget Mass Effect and FORGET DEAD SPACE.

If only everyone had as much willpower as you.

        Yep and nobody can really blame me for Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 because those are like..... one of the most hyped games ever! Specially Battlefront 3. Games like that, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Eternal Darkness 2 are always going to be on my  list no matter how greedy the companies behind them are.

i think he was being sarcastic

          Even if he was, I still would have more willpower than the typical guy who buys every Mass Effect or Battlefield day 1 FULL PRICE.


yeah...no those franchises are big but not THAT big, hell all you did was replace ME with Mirror's edge, you're not that much different than the people you've described IMHO



oniyide said:
AZWification said:
oniyide said:
AZWification said:
RolStoppable said:
AZWification said:

   Screw EA. Just a bunch of contradicting idiots.   I will  be giving them an amount of money because I am buying Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 though. Those are the ONLY EA games I am buying. Forget Dragon Age,  forget Battlefield, forget Mass Effect and FORGET DEAD SPACE.

If only everyone had as much willpower as you.

        Yep and nobody can really blame me for Mirror Edge 2 and Battlefront 3 because those are like..... one of the most hyped games ever! Specially Battlefront 3. Games like that, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Eternal Darkness 2 are always going to be on my  list no matter how greedy the companies behind them are.

i think he was being sarcastic

          Even if he was, I still would have more willpower than the typical guy who buys every Mass Effect or Battlefield day 1 FULL PRICE.


yeah...no those franchises are big but not THAT big, hell all you did was replace ME with Mirror's edge, you're not that much different than the people you've described IMHO

         You got me there, but Mirror Edge is not really that relevant compared to Mass Effect.



                
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