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brendude13 said:
Imaginedvl said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
we have the specs so no need to decs come here to tell us ;)

Looks like you need it :) Listenning to all PS4 fans, the PS4 is 50% more powerfull (even if this is only on paper and only for one or two specific aspects).

But it is okay, do not worry, PS4 is effectively slightly better (like the PS3 vs 360) so Sony fans can still brag about it, will not change the fact that it will mainly depend on the talents, exclisives will look as good on both and multiplatform will be similar.

The differences between PS3 and 360 are nothing like the differences between PS4 and One, especially when taking console architecture into consideration as well.

Also, it may only be one specific part that is 50% more powerful, but in this case it's the only part that matters.


No, the One-PS4 are much closer than 360-PS3. The PS3 has BluRay, a GPU one year advanced and a kick-ass CPU.

So, I would love to know how you are a such a expertise in hardware. 

Are you a game developer? Are you a hardware engeneer?

OK, I have to say that I´m a software AND a hardware engeneer. First of all, none GPU/CPU will use its full potencial all the time.

The 1,8 or 1,2 TFLOPS are teoretical assumptions. A intructions dosen´t have to run in a single clock, some time not in two or tree... maybe six. It´s up to the developers the good use of the hardware resources. But thats not so simple. Many instructions are OS level, I would say 90% of the time a developer dosen´t have to care about the system archtecture.

The PS3 wasn´t difficult do develop becouse of the CELL, but becouse the OS and devKit were shit. But even the 360´s couldn´t manage to easy the instructions to a avagere of six clocs per instruction.

Just in the OS level or aplication level a game (or app) could be twice or tree time more efficient, regardless the archtecture. 

Over time is even possiblem that the One could show better results than the PS4.



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Necromunda said:
This is completely false, you can't even spin the power differences this gen since they are both using similar hardware architecture. The PS4 is more powerful in regards to both GPU and Memory, and by a decent amount.


Everybody said the PS3 was more powerfull then the 360 right? And we all know how that turned out. The real difference shows now with games like Gow:Ascensio Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us.

 

We will have to wait a few years to see if there really is a difference, and how big it might be.



The fact is the difference won't be used to any meaningful degree the multiplats will look and run pretty much the same on both platforms , you may get scenarios like game A runs well on PS4 but needs a little bit more effort to run the same on XBone .


It's not like one console stood still while the other moved way ahead even now we hear people say they don't see a huge difference between gen 7 to 8 , compared to the gen before , there are factors involved as to why this is so and those same factors also affect how much what ever difference there is between new consoles actually shows up on screen.



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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php&usg=ALkJrhi1G4TxkhzXnvN1ZfRJ3KdXukbpQQ?dummy=&advancedFilter=true&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7770&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7850&filter[0][]=1680&filter[0][]=1920&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA+%2B+MLAA&filter[2][]=4&filter[2][]=FXAA+-+hoch&filter[2][]=MLAA&filter[2][]=Post+AA&filter[3][]=16&aa=all



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Dark_Feanor said:


No, the One-PS4 are much closer than 360-PS3.

OK, I have to say that I´m a software AND a hardware engeneer.

Over time is even possiblem that the One could show better results than the PS4.

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For a hardware "engeneer", you seem to lack of, well, harware knowledge. "Over time" will never happen, and the reasons are quite clear. Rudimentarily explained to you:

1. The architectures of both gpus is basically the same gcn structure. If one gpu is idling 30-40% of the command chain, the other one is, too. Assuming both are programmed as close as possible on the silicon level, the PS4 gpu will always be more powerful than the XBox One gpu because there simply are more compute units.

2. The assumption in 1. is false right from the start, as XBox has more overhead due to Win8/DX11 footprints (which is totally cool if you simultaneously do Windows8 and XBox software). The PS4 has a direct command bus between cpu and gpu in hardware, the XBox has not. So PS4 wins hands down in getting graphics commands from a to b.

3. The PS4 has ONE memory pool, the XBox has TWO memory pools, one of which is rather small. The programmer has to permanently manage the two pools, if the esram is not used as a simple frame buffer. Contrary of what you think, programmers on the XBox do have to care (a lot) about the system archtecture if they want to profit from the esram pool.

Asuming both cpus are the same Jaguar combos, the advantage clearly is in the PS4 field. Whether third party software will use that advantage is, of course, an entirely different question. Assuming the quick buck always wins, I'd wager we won't see the advantage in the first games.



The assertion made by this dev is true in that they definitely are comparable in terms of the tech/architecture being used. Unlike the 360/PS3 comparison where we had substantially differing designs we can now easily compare the PS4/XBONE. From all that we know they share identical CPU cores while the PS4 graphics chip has a significant raw power advantage (50%). The PS4 also uses faster ram (GDDR5 VS DDR3).

Having said that I expect that multi platform games will look comparable while running better on the PS4. So all in all wether people choose the PS4 or XBONE they will be just fine when it comes to third party games. When it comes to first party games I expect PS4 titles to look superior at the start of the gen and to increase that advantage later on but ultimately all the games will look great and it will come down to which company people prefer.



 

 

tuscaniman99 said:
If PS4 is 50% more powerful don't expect to see much difference between the two. Xbox was 2x more powerful than PS2 and I don't remember it blowing PS2 out of the water.

Depending on measurements the original Xbox was as much as 4 times more powerful than the PS2. Given the similarity of the architecture between both platforms, third party games will be mostly likely be near identical. Third parties have always developed for the most common denominator. With the increasing budget of games, I don't see them starting to spend extra time and money to take advantage of earch platform now. The PS4 versions will probably look slightly better in direct comparisons but to the layman the differences will probably be unnoticeable.



HoloDust said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php&usg=ALkJrhi1G4TxkhzXnvN1ZfRJ3KdXukbpQQ?dummy=&advancedFilter=true&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7770&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7850&filter[0][]=1680&filter[0][]=1920&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA+%2B+MLAA&filter[2][]=4&filter[2][]=FXAA+-+hoch&filter[2][]=MLAA&filter[2][]=Post+AA&filter[3][]=16&aa=all


I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, 7770 is severly gimped.



Translation - It will just be like this gen. PS4 will get the edge with sharper graphics, maybe a little bit better FPS but the games will look the same. You'll have to look to first party games to show the "difference"



It's just that simple.