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Darc Requiem said:
Scisca said:
Darc Requiem said:
tuscaniman99 said:
If PS4 is 50% more powerful don't expect to see much difference between the two. Xbox was 2x more powerful than PS2 and I don't remember it blowing PS2 out of the water.

Depending on measurements the original Xbox was as much as 4 times more powerful than the PS2. Given the similarity of the architecture between both platforms, third party games will be mostly likely be near identical. Third parties have always developed for the most common denominator. With the increasing budget of games, I don't see them starting to spend extra time and money to take advantage of earch platform now. The PS4 versions will probably look slightly better in direct comparisons but to the layman the differences will probably be unnoticeable.


I'm not sure this will actually be true. Remember that PS4 and XO are pretty much PCs - unlike the PS3 and X360. Also the position of PCs is way different now than it was when current gen was released. PCs are already more powerful than even PS4, so the devs making multiplats will be making better looking versions of their games than the XO can handle, if only for the PC market and they can put some of these assets into the PS4 versions, since the console will be able to deal with more stuff than the XO without additional work. This would result in a better looking PS4 game without the need of generating higher costs, cause the assets were already created for PC version anyway - it's just the matter of which assets you copy to which version.

I think the PS4 games will look and run better, it will be clearly visible in side-to-side comparisons. The difference should be bigger than this gen, though if you just buy an XO and ignore side-to-side screens and videos you should be happy with what you get. It's gonna be quite close and you'll get a similar experience. The thing is, why pay $100 more just to be close behind?


Should and will are two different things. 3rd parties only put in as much effort as required. Every PS4 game should look noticeably better than their XB1 counterparts, I just don't think 3rd parties will do more than they have to. Eventhough the Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful and easier to program for than the PS2, multiplats still rarely looked much better and in several cases actually ran worse than their PS2 counterparts.


I am aware of this, that's why I think the PC will play the major role here. After all, an nVidia Titan may be destroying our wallets today, but it will be absolutely affordable in 3 years (so only 2.5 years into the PS4/XO cycle!). That's why devs will most likely very soon be making PC ultra high level graphics on levels that neither XO nor PS4 will reach, so it will be just their good will to copy the slightly better assets onto the PS4 version of the game, since they will be already made anyway and it won't costs them jack to put them there. I guess it may also depend on the sales ratio between the consoles. If PS4 really dominates XO, chances for this grow. But anyway, even if the graphics are the same, but XO runs at 30 fps and PS4 at 60 fps - that will be big enough for me!



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wii U and ps4 have comparable power also



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The differences will only be seen in exclusives I imagine.



tuscaniman99 said:
If PS4 is 50% more powerful don't expect to see much difference between the two. Xbox was 2x more powerful than PS2 and I don't remember it blowing PS2 out of the water.


You obviously dont remember Splinter Cell. Night and day. The original Xbox ran laps around the PS2.



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"comparable" is a tricky word.

For example: LeBron James and Lamar Odom have "comparable" skill sets.... but one is clearly much better than the other



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As to the article I don't know anyone who actually knows stuff about stuff who said PS4 is "a magnitude more powerful than the Xbox One". An order of magnitude is 10x, 2 orders of magnitude is 100x etc. There is simply now way anyone can claim PS4 can come even close to being 1 order of magnitude more powerful than Xbone. I doubt anyone credible has even seriously claimed 2x more powerful (I might be wrong).

I think the general consensus is that PS4 has more raw power. When it comes to putting a number on how much more power it's a question of being somewhere between 1% and 99% more powerful, whatever that means in tech geek terms. Being described as "comparable" probably makes it more like between 1% and 50%.

OTOH, if someone's asked the question about power, and you don't want to bite one of the hands that feed you then you are going to say "comparable" for anything that has similar superficial numbers like "8GB RAM" when if you drill down and look at real performance the difference could be substantial.

So the lesson here? "comparable" is a non-committal weasel word.



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tuscaniman99 said:
I know Uncharted 2,3, TLOU and GoW3 look good but has everybody forgotten how good Gears of War 3 and Halo 4 look? Honestly there isn't that much difference. It will be similar this gen.


Honestly, and you have to consider how much of a bigger game Halo 4 was. I love to see something like forge being implemented into any of the games i bolded and still have the same visual fidelity.



dahuman said:
HoloDust said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php&usg=ALkJrhi1G4TxkhzXnvN1ZfRJ3KdXukbpQQ?dummy=&advancedFilter=true&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7770&prod[]=AMD+Radeon+HD+7850&filter[0][]=1680&filter[0][]=1920&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA&filter[2][]=2x2+SSAA+%2B+MLAA&filter[2][]=4&filter[2][]=FXAA+-+hoch&filter[2][]=MLAA&filter[2][]=Post+AA&filter[3][]=16&aa=all


I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, 7770 is severly gimped.

I think it is a fair comparison.

PS4's GPU has slightly better GPU than 7850, pixell/texel fill rates are similar to 7850, but it has more TFLOPS and higher bandwidth.

XOne's GPU performs close to 7770, although it has 2 more CUs, but at lower clock rate - it actually has slightly less TFLOPS than 7770.

Both GPU's have their own customizations, but comparison of vanilla 7850 and 7770 is pretty good starting point.

Unless, of course, MS surprises us all and it's something more similar to 7790 inside.



MonstaMack said:
Translation - It will just be like this gen. PS4 will get the edge with sharper graphics, maybe a little bit better FPS but the games will look the same. You'll have to look to first party games to show the "difference"


I think not, the gap will be a bit larger and more visable