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It's about the myth as to why DRM is needed going into next gen consoles. Not here to argue whether the PS4 will or won't have DRM like the Xbox One. 

There is this myth that Gamestop or Used Games in general are the cause of the DRM. That Publishers aren't making enough money and their backs against the wall. That used games and Gamestop are taking all there $$$

I'm calling bullshit. I am putting the blame on the Publishers or whoever sets the price for games on PSN and XBL Store. 

The solution to preventing the resell of games should be selling Digital. Buying a game from PSN or XBL has no resell value. Yet the Prices are the same at launch (if they are even have day 1 digital) and cost more weeks and months after launch.

On PSN right now NHL 12 is $59.99. NHL 13 is also $59.99. WFT!!!

Gamestop sells NHL 12 for $29.99 BRAND NEW and $19.99 USED

Gamestop sells NHL 13 for $39.99 BRAND NEW and $37.99 USED

The Publisher push people to buy used. They argue that of course people buy used because it cost less. I'm arguing that people don't buy Digital because they charge too much!!! Why buy digital when I can go and buy a physical copy NEW for $10+ less?

Rant over



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Problem is there are some people who truly believe it will be like steam. Steam can have those prices because there is something called competition. There will be NO competition on XBL PSN, Wiistores as those are closed systems and they can charge whatever they want. SO enjoy paying more.



Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.



oniyide said:
Problem is there are some people who truly believe it will be like steam. Steam can have those prices because there is something called competition. There will be NO competition on XBL PSN, Wiistores as those are closed systems and they can charge whatever they want. SO enjoy paying more.


It won't be exactly like steam but think about this. Publishers on Nintendo's eshop are able to set their own prices and put sales on their games whenever they want. I've bought a game on sale on eshop(though I regretted the purchase). Like what normal stores do once they see that their game aren't selling Publishers will lower the prices of their games to compete.

If anything this might encourage games getting cheaper faster since brick and mortar stores aren't locked into buy a million copies of something and barely anything selling. Those games sitting on the shelf collecting dust count as a sale to the publisher already. With the online system games nobody wants would be discounted with a couple weeks since the publisher will see pretty quickly they aren't going to be making any money with their games at that price point. 



ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.


And the solution is making arrangements and deals with Gamestop/Best Buy/etc. rather than punishing gamers.



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JWeinCom said:
ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.


And the solution is making arrangements and deals with Gamestop/Best Buy/etc. rather than punishing gamers.

There would be too many parties involved to reach an agreement in even a year. Different devs would want a higher percentage than others, then the others would complain...



ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.

the solution however should not be to punish buyers of your product with cumbersome DRM,  incentives customers to buy new. out of my collection (just short of 100 games for XB/360) only a handful of games are used (7) and either i could not find them new or I was so unsure i would like the game i bought it used. 

 

why are used sales not as much a problem for movie industry or music? of you say other streams of revenue then perhaps video games should expand their revenue streams with paraphernalia.  games companies seem to be using used game sales to brush off poor management practices in the industry which have lead to losses on ventures.

 

and if they had good first practices on the first sale, there would not be such a large second hand market 



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ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.

Then why do they give these stores the preorder bonuses that you can't even get when you buy Digital?

If they were to match and/or beat retail with digital then used games wouldn't be a problem. Still fault falls on the Publishers



goddog said:
ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.

 

the solution however should not be to punish buyers of your product with cumbersome DRM,  incentives customers to buy new. out of my collection (just short of 100 games for XB/360) only a handful of games are used (7) and either i could not find them new or I was so unsure i would like the game i bought it used. 

 

why are used sales not as much a problem for movie industry or music? of you say other streams of revenue then perhaps video games should expand their revenue streams with paraphernalia.  games companies seem to be using used game sales to brush off poor management practices in the industry which have lead to losses on ventures.


and if they had good first practices on the first sale, there would not be such a large second hand market 

 


The second hand market is big for everything, not just games... Look at eBay for instance? Pawn shops? We have a massive chain of them here in Aus...

Sometimes, people just like spending less! Who knew!!!

 

and if they had good first practices on the first sale, there would not be such a large second hand market

In what ways? By spending more money? More time, which again is money? You need to expand on that a bit.


why are used sales not as much a problem for movie industry or music?

A lot of music is bought online and can't be resold second hand... It's also been very successfull!! Poor argument. Movie indusrty has merit though but pirating is more of the issue there then second hand so it isn't really a main problem.



Subie_Greg said:
ironmanDX said:

Many people, devs, publishers whatever have said the same about second hand being a problem.

www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-17-bethesda-vp-used-games-are-absolutely-a-concern

EB here in Australia have a rewards system that rewards you more for buying second hand games and trading in.

https://www.ebgames.com.au/EBWorld/about

It's a problem.

Then why do they give these stores the preorder bonuses that you can't even get when you buy Digital?

If they were to match and/or beat retail with digital then used games wouldn't be a problem. Still fault falls on the Publishers

Then why hate on the X1?