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J_Allard on 08 June 2013
TheSting said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TheSting said:
It's in their system though correct?



Incorrect


How can they leave it up to publishers if it isn't even possible in their system? 

What am I missing? 

You're not missing anything, it's just a way for Sony guys to excuse the fact that Sony is allowing DRM on their console.

I mean, look at the OP. It is essentially a collection of non-answers and loaded responses that essentially spell out a system where if publishers want to limit your ability to loan/rent games, limit your ability to buy/sell/play used games, and mandate a connection to the Internet, Sony is allowing them to do so. MS simply took it a step further and made it a standard policy on the console.

Best to just wait for E3 or closer to launch for Sony and publishers to fully spill the beans. But it's clear the only people with their "heads in the sand" here are the people shouting about how different this is than Xbone or how it's "just like PS3". It's not. The bottom line is a publisher can do everything they can do on Xbone on the PS4 as well. Sony is allowing it. So it will just be a matter of whether or not the publishers do it.



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Subie_Greg on 08 June 2013
scat398 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
scat398 said:

Just a little over the top don't you think.  Anyways, I'm not reffering to online connection required to play games I was reffering to the whole used game issue.  Publishers clearly have pushed this and what the op posted has Sony and ms in the same court on that issue.  Publishers want that fee on the resale and it looks like they are going to get it.

The ps4 will play used games.... the xbox1 will need an internet connection, cannot rent or loan upon launch and eventually when you can you can loan it a grand total of once and you need to sell it to an MS approved retailer. I don't see a single similarity

You know the xb1 will also play used games right?  All i was saying is that is pretty clear that when you buy a used game both ps4 and ms will probably allow the publisher to decide if that game can be played on the new console without an upfront fee for the resale of the game.  We know how ms is doing it but I'm not sure how ps4 is going to implement it, my guess it will be some sort of DRM.  With what Sony has said about how they will allow publishers to handle this I assume they have some sort of system in place to handle it.  Why else would they answer the question the way they did.  If they weren't going to be detailing with used sale fees they would have just said, we are going to keep the current system we have.


While you may be able to play used games and sell your games, it's the restrictions on how that has people upset. You can sell it to Gamestop or Best Buy (I Guess) but not to these stores or personally to your friends.

I'll sum it up with saying that EVERYTHING with the Xbox One has an * at the end of it

You may trade in your games or sell them *But only at certain stores*

You may loan your friends games *At some point in the future*

You may turn off kinect *but not really*

You may rent games *sometime in the future*

It's not always online *Just at least once a day*

Restrictions on everything you do



OdinHades on 08 June 2013

I can't even find the words to express how much I despise the new Xbox right now. And even if I tried, I would likely get banned. Seriously. I can't even understand how someone can defend those policies, as the don't bring advantages to the consumer in any way. It's just the wet dream of the publishers, nothing more. It's nothing less than the worst DRM in the history of gaming.

And Sony ain't nothing to do with what Microsoft is doing. That's some really shitty argument. Think of a murder trying to justified what he did because someone else in freaking Japan SUPPOSEDLY also did something like that. Like maybe. WTF?!

All I can say is: Vote with your wallets. You decide the future of gaming.



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Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
scat398 said:
 

You know the xb1 will also play used games right?  All i was saying is that is pretty clear that when you buy a used game both ps4 and ms will probably allow the publisher to decide if that game can be played on the new console without an upfront fee for the resale of the game.  We know how ms is doing it but I'm not sure how ps4 is going to implement it, my guess it will be some sort of DRM.  With what Sony has said about how they will allow publishers to handle this I assume they have some sort of system in place to handle it.  Why else would they answer the question the way they did.  If they weren't going to be detailing with used sale fees they would have just said, we are going to keep the current system we have.

You can play used games.... I didn't say you couldn't. You just can't rent because they are used and can't loan games because they are used and you need to buy it at participating retailers... And sorry, you are wrong. Ps4 couldn't possibly leave that up to publishers because they don't have any universal requirements where they would be able to enforce such things. Best they can do is allow publishers to use key codes for when you try to get online. Why would the answer the question like they did? Because the question was asked.... and they clearly answered it... I'm not sure what you are asking.





NobleTeam360 on 08 June 2013

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala I'm not listening lol JK. On a serious note If they don't do it then great. I'll know which console I'll get if they have no form of DRM!



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scat398 on 08 June 2013

Oh I know, I just didn't understand why he was saying that the used game policy is different,  Sony's Answers or I guess you could say non answer suggest both Sony and ms will have the same policy on used games.

i don't understand why ms is going with the whole loan it once thing or all that crap.  I say if you loan the game the publisher can either allow it or charge a fee, the whole one time loaner thing just seems silly.



Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:

You're not missing anything, it's just a way for Sony guys to excuse the fact that Sony is allowing DRM on their console.

I mean, look at the OP. It is essentially a collection of non-answers and loaded responses that essentially spell out a system where if publishers want to limit your ability to loan/rent games, limit your ability to buy/sell/play used games, and mandate a connection to the Internet, Sony is allowing them to do so. MS simply took it a step further and made it a standard policy on the console.

Best to just wait for E3 or closer to launch for Sony and publishers to fully spill the beans. But it's clear the only people with their "heads in the sand" here are the people shouting about how different this is than Xbone or how it's "just like PS3". It's not. The bottom line is a publisher can do everything they can do on Xbone on the PS4 as well. Sony is allowing it. So it will just be a matter of whether or not the publishers do it.

Ahhhh yes, the biggest offender of them all. Yes, lets look at the OP and all those non answers... Of them confirm multiple times internet is not a requirement and used games can be played... Yes... keep piling that sand on your head buddy.

Yes, publishers can limit the ability of loaning or renting games... with online registrations.... BUT WAIT... That requires an internet connection that Sony confirmed is not required.



DucksUnlimited on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:
TheSting said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TheSting said:
It's in their system though correct?



Incorrect


How can they leave it up to publishers if it isn't even possible in their system? 

What am I missing? 

You're not missing anything, it's just a way for Sony guys to excuse the fact that Sony is allowing DRM on their console.

I mean, look at the OP. It is essentially a collection of non-answers and loaded responses that essentially spell out a system where if publishers want to limit your ability to loan/rent games, limit your ability to buy/sell/play used games, and mandate a connection to the Internet, Sony is allowing them to do so. MS simply took it a step further and made it a standard policy on the console.

Best to just wait for E3 or closer to launch for Sony and publishers to fully spill the beans. But it's clear the only people with their "heads in the sand" here are the people shouting about how different this is than Xbone or how it's "just like PS3". It's not. The bottom line is a publisher can do everything they can do on Xbone on the PS4 as well. Sony is allowing it. So it will just be a matter of whether or not the publishers do it.

That's a pretty big difference. There are numerous devs who have come out against a lot of these DRM policies. Based on this and what we already know about the console, there will likely be plenty of games available for those who are against the DRM, be it for practical or moral reasons, on the PS4. As far as I know that's not the case with XBONE. Some games having DRM vs all games having DRM is more than just a talking point.

Good to see another AD fan, btw :P



Subie_Greg on 08 June 2013

You can't honestly say they are that same or just about the same. One has universal console wide DRM... built into the console itself. The other has DRM only if Publisher of the game wants it to.

Not similar at all



scat398 on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
scat398 said:
 

You know the xb1 will also play used games right?  All i was saying is that is pretty clear that when you buy a used game both ps4 and ms will probably allow the publisher to decide if that game can be played on the new console without an upfront fee for the resale of the game.  We know how ms is doing it but I'm not sure how ps4 is going to implement it, my guess it will be some sort of DRM.  With what Sony has said about how they will allow publishers to handle this I assume they have some sort of system in place to handle it.  Why else would they answer the question the way they did.  If they weren't going to be detailing with used sale fees they would have just said, we are going to keep the current system we have.

You can play used games.... I didn't say you couldn't. You just can't rent because they are used and can't loan games because they are used and you need to buy it at participating retailers... And sorry, you are wrong. Ps4 couldn't possibly leave that up to publishers because they don't have any universal requirements where they would be able to enforce such things. Best they can do is allow publishers to use key codes for when you try to get online. Why would the answer the question like they did? Because the question was asked.... and they clearly answered it... I'm not sure what you are asking.

I know they clearly answered it, I read your original post, the part where it says Sony is leaving used games up to the publishers.  You said it yourself it sounds like online passes, which is what ms is doing but like j_allard just posted ms just took it one step further and made the whole process mandatory.  Do you really think publishers are going to require online registration on one console and not the other,  this is the publishers idea.