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Lastgengamer on 08 June 2013

Not sure what to make of this with regards to EA, since they will have no more online passes moving forward and its a certain that they will want control over the sales of used games, so there must be some way for 3rd party publishers to implement DRM on PS4 as well unfortunately.



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Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
DucksUnlimited said:


No. What I'm saying is that NOT being able to play SOME used games from Gamefly, Friends or Ebay is similar to not being able to play any used games from those sources. Obviously one is preferrable to the other, but that doesn't mean they aren't similar.


I think you are confused... there is no indication or evidence to support the idea that it will be the case for ps4... thus you cant possibly say they are similar



Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
Lastgengamer said:
Not sure what to make of this with regards to EA, since they will have no more online passes moving forward and its a certain that they will want control over the sales of used games, so there must be some way for 3rd party publishers to implement DRM on PS4 as well unfortunately.



thats just a logical fallacy... You cant possibly extend what EA is doing to Sony... it doesnt work that way



Subie_Greg on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Subie_Greg said:

I guess it's possible that EA for example could require an internet connection for a game and you to put in a pass key. But the PS4 won't require all games to do so whether the Publisher wants to or not. DRM would be up to the Publisher for each and every game.

Microsoft can tell you it's up to the Publisher but that's a lie. If it were up to each Publisher than loaning a game to a friend would be up to each Publisher as well. But it's not. The entire console was built around DRM for every game regardless of the Publisher wanting it or not. They must have assumed all Publishers wanted this DRM. 

That stragety makes 0 sense and blocks a lot of potential sales. On top of that it is no different than the ps3.... in which case why people are lumping sony into the same boat as MS and not the developers is still silly


Silly it is. I thought maybe some people just didn't understand the difference. Now... I think they just don't want to understand.

I have even seen people say "Good I hope the PS4 has the same DRM". Why? How would that benefit you?



Lastgengamer on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Lastgengamer said:
Not sure what to make of this with regards to EA, since they will have no more online passes moving forward and its a certain that they will want control over the sales of used games, so there must be some way for 3rd party publishers to implement DRM on PS4 as well unfortunately.



thats just a logical fallacy... You cant possibly extend what EA is doing to Sony... it doesnt work that way

I hope you're correct and E3 cannot come soon enough.



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thismeintiel on 08 June 2013
scat398 said:

Oh I know, I just didn't understand why he was saying that the used game policy is different,  Sony's Answers or I guess you could say non answer suggest both Sony and ms will have the same policy on used games.

i don't understand why ms is going with the whole loan it once thing or all that crap.  I say if you loan the game the publisher can either allow it or charge a fee, the whole one time loaner thing just seems silly.

It is not the same, AT ALL.  Sony is leaving it up to the publishers, which to them means that 3rd parties HAVE to come up with their own infrastructure to enforce it.  This would only be used for online, though, as the PS4 DOES NOT require an internet connection to play.  MS, on the other hand, has created the DRM infrastucture for the publishers.  It's embedded into their system.  They have even gone so far as to create a used games program that retailers who wish to sell used Xbox One games HAVE TO sign up for.  My guess is that means they will either have to pay to join and/or give MS a part of the profit.  This means goodbye to smaller retailers who sell used games, as well as personally selling on eBay.

In the simplest terms, the PS4 will be like how the PS3 and 360 were this gen.  With the Xbox One, MS has made creating and enforcing DRM as easy as possible for themselves and the publishers.



 

Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
Lastgengamer said:
 

I hope you're correct and E3 cannot come soon enough.

I'm not saying I'm correct. I'm just saying anyone who says otherwise is wrong. If Ps4 does turn out to have similar DRM policies as x1 the people who are wishing still wont be correct. Think about it this way, in math class you do all the wrong calculations, manipulate the equation the wrong way and sustitute the wrong figures... yet you come up with the right answer... You know what most of my teachers would do? X -10points. Some may give partial credit (and by partial I mean like .5%).

 



J_Allard on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

You're not missing anything, it's just a way for Sony guys to excuse the fact that Sony is allowing DRM on their console.

I mean, look at the OP. It is essentially a collection of non-answers and loaded responses that essentially spell out a system where if publishers want to limit your ability to loan/rent games, limit your ability to buy/sell/play used games, and mandate a connection to the Internet, Sony is allowing them to do so. MS simply took it a step further and made it a standard policy on the console.

Best to just wait for E3 or closer to launch for Sony and publishers to fully spill the beans. But it's clear the only people with their "heads in the sand" here are the people shouting about how different this is than Xbone or how it's "just like PS3". It's not. The bottom line is a publisher can do everything they can do on Xbone on the PS4 as well. Sony is allowing it. So it will just be a matter of whether or not the publishers do it.

Ahhhh yes, the biggest offender of them all. Yes, lets look at the OP and all those non answers... Of them confirm multiple times internet is not a requirement and used games can be played... Yes... keep piling that sand on your head buddy.

Yes, publishers can limit the ability of loaning or renting games... with online registrations.... BUT WAIT... That requires an internet connection that Sony confirmed is not required.

I honestly don't know what to tell you. I mean.. you have right there in front of you a quote from a top Sony exec telling you they're leaving the option for game registration there and the choice is up to the publisher. Sony never came out and said an always-online Internet connection was required for PS3 and yet there are games on PSN that require it. And that is a DRM that is worse than what you get with Xbone.

At the heart of all this you have a contradiction. You can't say used games working on the console is entirely up to the publishers, plus game activations are up to publishers, AND also say you don't require any sort of Internet connection. The first two would not work without the other, unless Sony is using some form of DRM that doesn't require the Internet. And in that case, then Internet being required or not required would be entirely irrelevant since the DRM is still there.

"you can go totally offline" doesn't mean much stacked up against all the other quotes about DRM being left up to the publisher. Use your head. I mean, Major Nelson could tweet tomorrow that you can go "totally offline" with the Xbone and he would be right. You don't seem to understand corporate speak at all.



DucksUnlimited on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
DucksUnlimited said:


No. What I'm saying is that NOT being able to play SOME used games from Gamefly, Friends or Ebay is similar to not being able to play any used games from those sources. Obviously one is preferrable to the other, but that doesn't mean they aren't similar.


I think you are confused... there is no indication or evidence to support the idea that it will be the case for ps4... thus you cant possibly say they are similar

Sony explicitly said they are leaving the option to the developer. Some developers are in favor of DRM, so they are obviously going to take advantage of it on the PS4, meaning some PS4 games won't allow used copies, as I said.  

I can clarify my point further if I'm still not making sense to you. 



Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:

"you can go totally offline" doesn't mean much stacked up against all the other quotes about DRM being left up to the publisher. Use your head. I mean, Major Nelson could tweet tomorrow that you can go "totally offline" with the Xbone and he would be right. You don't seem to understand corporate speak at all.

The fact that you have absolutly no clue whats been said speaks volumes... Michael Denny So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

No, major nelson cannot tweet that and be correct