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Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
DucksUnlimited said:

Sony explicitly said they are leaving the option to the developer. Some developers are in favor of DRM, so they are obviously going to take advantage of it on the PS4, meaning some PS4 games won't allow used copies, as I said.  

I can clarify my point further if I'm still not making sense to you. 

No, you are using logical fallacies. What Sony has explicitly said is publishers can use online registration (online codes), that the ps4 can be enjoyed without an internet connection at all and that you can play used games... Really guys, it's all in the op...



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Subie_Greg on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

You're not missing anything, it's just a way for Sony guys to excuse the fact that Sony is allowing DRM on their console.

I mean, look at the OP. It is essentially a collection of non-answers and loaded responses that essentially spell out a system where if publishers want to limit your ability to loan/rent games, limit your ability to buy/sell/play used games, and mandate a connection to the Internet, Sony is allowing them to do so. MS simply took it a step further and made it a standard policy on the console.

Best to just wait for E3 or closer to launch for Sony and publishers to fully spill the beans. But it's clear the only people with their "heads in the sand" here are the people shouting about how different this is than Xbone or how it's "just like PS3". It's not. The bottom line is a publisher can do everything they can do on Xbone on the PS4 as well. Sony is allowing it. So it will just be a matter of whether or not the publishers do it.

Ahhhh yes, the biggest offender of them all. Yes, lets look at the OP and all those non answers... Of them confirm multiple times internet is not a requirement and used games can be played... Yes... keep piling that sand on your head buddy.

Yes, publishers can limit the ability of loaning or renting games... with online registrations.... BUT WAIT... That requires an internet connection that Sony confirmed is not required.

I honestly don't know what to tell you. I mean.. you have right there in front of you a quote from a top Sony exec telling you they're leaving the option for game registration there and the choice is up to the publisher. Sony never came out and said an always-online Internet connection was required for PS3 and yet there are games on PSN that require it. And that is a DRM that is worse than what you get with Xbone.

At the heart of all this you have a contradiction. You can't say used games working on the console is entirely up to the publishers, plus game activations are up to publishers, AND also say you don't require any sort of Internet connection. The first two would not work without the other, unless Sony is using some form of DRM that doesn't require the Internet. And in that case, then Internet being required or not required would be entirely irrelevant since the DRM is still there.

"you can go totally offline" doesn't mean much stacked up against all the other quotes about DRM being left up to the publisher. Use your head. I mean, Major Nelson could tweet tomorrow that you can go "totally offline" with the Xbone and he would be right. You don't seem to understand corporate speak at all.

Not in a good way though lol



DucksUnlimited on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
DucksUnlimited said:

Sony explicitly said they are leaving the option to the developer. Some developers are in favor of DRM, so they are obviously going to take advantage of it on the PS4, meaning some PS4 games won't allow used copies, as I said.  

I can clarify my point further if I'm still not making sense to you. 

No, you are using logical fallacies. What Sony has explicitly said is publishers can use online registration (online codes), that the ps4 can be enjoyed without an internet connection at all and that you can play used games... Really guys, it's all in the op...

"any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that"

It doesn't say anything about an online pass. It says that publishers can require users to register a game online in order to play it. Not just to play the online component.

The fact that you disagree with something doesn't inherently make it a logical fallacy.



J_Allard on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

"you can go totally offline" doesn't mean much stacked up against all the other quotes about DRM being left up to the publisher. Use your head. I mean, Major Nelson could tweet tomorrow that you can go "totally offline" with the Xbone and he would be right. You don't seem to understand corporate speak at all.

The fact that you have absolutly no clue whats been said speaks volumes... Michael Denny So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

No, major nelson cannot tweet that and be correct

I've read that quote before, thank you very much. Ok, so you take that quote. And then take the very first quote from Yoshida. Again, it's the very first quote you posted in this thread. "any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that." So again, how do you have one without the other? How do you leave the option for registering a game online in order to play it "up to the publishers" but then at the same time mandate that no game can require the Internet? You can't. And hey, in the end, you might be right. But it is a contradiction and I am waiting for clarification and a complete explanation of how DRM works on both consoles.

And yes, Major Nelson could tweet that and be 100% correct. You're still not understanding how corporate people talk. It's ok. When you compare that quote you just posted about enjoying the PS4 "old school with no Internet connection at all", and hold it up against everything else Sony has said, what it says to me is you can enjoy the PS4 old school with no Internet.. if you choose games where publishers have allowed you to do so. Or, even if you pick a game like Battlefield 4 where EA potentially requires a one time online activation, maybe you can then disconnect entirely and the console will allow you to continue playing without a time limit to reconnect like Xbone or Steam. It certainly doesn't say to me that hey, you never ever have to connect online to play your games. Because they have many many times told me DRM is a publisher decision.

You're welcome to rage about it and disagree and whine about heads in the sand. I'll just wait for concrete info thanks.



Subie_Greg on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

"you can go totally offline" doesn't mean much stacked up against all the other quotes about DRM being left up to the publisher. Use your head. I mean, Major Nelson could tweet tomorrow that you can go "totally offline" with the Xbone and he would be right. You don't seem to understand corporate speak at all.

The fact that you have absolutly no clue whats been said speaks volumes... Michael Denny So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

No, major nelson cannot tweet that and be correct

I've read that quote before, thank you very much. Ok, so you take that quote. And then take the very first quote from Yoshida. Again, it's the very first quote you posted in this thread. "any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that." So again, how do you have one without the other? How do you leave the option for registering a game online in order to play it "up to the publishers" but then at the same time mandate that no game can require the Internet? You can't. And hey, in the end, you might be right. But it is a contradiction and I am waiting for clarification and a complete explanation of how DRM works on both consoles.

And yes, Major Nelson could tweet that and be 100% correct. You're still not understanding how corporate people talk. It's ok. When you compare that quote you just posted about enjoying the PS4 "old school with no Internet connection at all", and hold it up against everything else Sony has said, what it says to me is you can enjoy the PS4 old school with no Internet.. if you choose games where publishers have allowed you to do so. Or, even if you pick a game like Battlefield 4 where EA potentially requires a one time online activation, maybe you can then disconnect entirely and the console will allow you to continue playing without a time limit to reconnect like Xbone or Steam. It certainly doesn't say to me that hey, you never ever have to connect online to play your games. Because they have many many times told me DRM is a publisher decision.

You're welcome to rage about it and disagree and whine about heads in the sand. I'll just wait for concrete info thanks.

The PS4 won't require an internet connection to play games. There maybe games that require internet to work (up to Publishers)

Xbox One will require internet every 24 hours, even if a game doesn't require internet at all. The console itself requires internet once every 24 hours

Lets say you are away for the weekend. You return home 48 hours later. Your Xbox One will require an internet connection in order to start playing any game, even a game that has no DRM



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Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
DucksUnlimited said:

"any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that"

It doesn't say anything about an online pass. It says that publishers can require users to register a game online in order to play it. Not just to play the online component.

The fact that you disagree with something doesn't inherently make it a logical fallacy.



Ahhh I can see where you are confused now... You are like the 9/11 truthers and take a portion of the quote to fit some agenda (And if you don't have an agenda yet you are still doing that it just means youve been manipulated to believe what the "truthers" are saying is true). However, if you take the fact Sony is talking about registering a game ONLINE (its in caps it's obviously a hint) to be able to play... And the ps4 requires no internet connection at all then you should get an "Ah ha!" moment soon

If you are under the impression that this means 3rd parties will require you to connect a system to the internet that has no internet to register the game then I honestly don't know what to tell you. As J_Allard already said, "You can't say used games working on the console is entirely up to the publishers, plus game activations are up to publishers, AND also say you don't require any sort of Internet connection." J_Allard is almost there... he obviously hasn't had the epiphany yet though



J_Allard on 08 June 2013
Subie_Greg said:

The PS4 won't require an internet connection to play games. There maybe games that require internet to work (up to Publishers)

Xbox One will require internet every 24 hours, even if a game doesn't require internet at all. The console itself requires internet once every 24 hours

Lets say you are away for the weekend. You return home 48 hours later. Your Xbox One will require an internet connection in order to start playing any game, even a game that has no DRM



This is exactly what I have been saying. I guess your head is also in the sand according to the OP.



Max King of the Wild on 08 June 2013
J_Allard said:
Subie_Greg said:

The PS4 won't require an internet connection to play games. There maybe games that require internet to work (up to Publishers)

Xbox One will require internet every 24 hours, even if a game doesn't require internet at all. The console itself requires internet once every 24 hours

Lets say you are away for the weekend. You return home 48 hours later. Your Xbox One will require an internet connection in order to start playing any game, even a game that has no DRM



This is exactly what I have been saying. I guess your head is also in the sand according to the OP.


So what you have been saying is that the Ps4 is just like the Ps3? No, you havent and you know damn well you havent been saying that.  If publishers decide to do that now it's not because sony all of a sudden started allowing it. It's because publishers decided to do it. So why group sony in with MS?



J_Allard on 08 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:
Subie_Greg said:

The PS4 won't require an internet connection to play games. There maybe games that require internet to work (up to Publishers)

Xbox One will require internet every 24 hours, even if a game doesn't require internet at all. The console itself requires internet once every 24 hours

Lets say you are away for the weekend. You return home 48 hours later. Your Xbox One will require an internet connection in order to start playing any game, even a game that has no DRM



This is exactly what I have been saying. I guess your head is also in the sand according to the OP.


So what you have been saying is that the Ps4 is just like the Ps3? No, you havent and you know damn well you havent been saying that.  If publishers decide to do that now it's not because sony all of a sudden started allowing it. It's because publishers decided to do it. So why group sony in with MS?

It's not just like the PS3. The only DRM the PS3 had was some Capcom PSN titles that required an always-online connection. Not even the Xbone takes it that far. PS4 can have way more DRM.. if publishers want it to. You have no idea what they were capable of this gen, especially for retail disc based titles. So to say it's just like the PS3 is just an opinion. lol @ grouping Sony with MS. All I have been saying is it has DRM like the Xbone, if publishers want it to. Why does this upset you so? Why does it make me the "main offender" or whatever crap you told me earlier. It's just the fact of the matter. I am not "grouping" any two companies together. Go have a Coke and a smile, you're too upset to reasonably discuss things with. Toodles, hit me up after Sony supplies some specifics.



Peterisyum on 08 June 2013

At least Sony considers the needs of people who cannot access internet on consoles, at my uni the only way you can get internet is through a web browser log in. Which means you cant use the log in for consoles (only works with PC Android and Iphone). There are so many people in the world that for hundred of reasons simply wont be able to play an Xbox One. Microsoft is literally forcing me not to buy their console, rediculous.