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I find the retailers cut being only 10% very hard to swallow. This is way too low and retailers would be up in arms about it. I would suggest that if this rumour is true, then its more likely that MS and the publisher both get 10% of the total price for each game. They would then get a reasonable amount and the retailer is still happy enough not to make waves about it.



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Everyone complains about the cost of games going up gen on gen, MS puts in a solution that in the long term will drive down the prices like steam, MS still gets bashed.


Ok.



badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.

This! When you buy something it is your right as a consumer to re-sell it. Imagine the car industry blocking used car sales haha! That would be hilarious. You can only do this with physical copies of videogames because somehow "hardcore" gamers think it's their duty to "support" developers even if that means taking away basic rights from the consumer. I'm absolutely amazed. If Apple did this with its notebooks the shitstorm would be all over the web. 

What's next? A bailout for the game industry? Treasure hunting in the amazon to support game development? 



badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.

I thought this was worth emphasising, a few times.



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ironmanDX said:
Everyone complains about the cost of games going up gen on gen, MS puts in a solution that in the long term will drive down the prices like steam, MS still gets bashed.


Ok.

And how do you get to that conclusion? They had that option this gen, offer digital games at competitive prices to second hand games. Did not happen. Eliminating competition only makes the prices stay high longer.

Steam is a different beast, way more competition, different royalty system.



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UncleScrooge said:
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.

This! When you buy something it is your right as a consumer to re-sell it. Imagine the car industry blocking used car sales haha! That would be hilarious. You can only do this with physical copies of videogames because somehow "hardcore" gamers think it's their duty to "support" developers even if that means taking away basic rights from the consumer. I'm absolutely amazed. If Apple did this with its notebooks the shitstorm would be all over the web. 

What's next? A bailout for the game industry? Treasure hunting in the amazon to support game development? 

Games = software = lincense model. You can thank Microsoft for pushing the software industry as it did. It's not new and not hurting any rights of consumers. Otherwise it would have been stopped decades ago. But back then and to this day, MS was the pride of America of course. It was cool because it was oh so big and successful. Nobody cared what they actually did to the industry. Yeah good things, but also lots of bad things. Now people wake up and talk about "freedom" and stuff, when in fact, the world is no longer about freedom.

The car comparison is common and old by now. People should also think about if it's actually good to use Windows then. The majority complains about that OS as well but nobody has the balls to switch to UNIX based OSs.



SvennoJ said:
ironmanDX said:
Everyone complains about the cost of games going up gen on gen, MS puts in a solution that in the long term will drive down the prices like steam, MS still gets bashed.


Ok.

And how do you get to that conclusion? They had that option this gen, offer digital games at competitive prices to second hand games. Did not happen. Eliminating competition only makes the prices stay high longer.

Steam is a different beast, way more competition, different royalty system.

Steam is a different beast. It's had time to feed and grow. If Sony jumps on board, which given they had DRM this gen makes it likely not to mention the patent... The competition will change. More devs will jump on board, they'll sell more games new, get more money from second hand games thus getting more profit to make more games as other devs do, they drop prices as other devs would also. It's pretty win win... Are you a Steam user?

They have failed this gen with digital though in many areas is agreed. Though progress was still made and will be further made with the Xbox ONE.



Ostro said:
UncleScrooge said:
badgenome said:
A hearty "fuck you" to mom and pop game stores, private sellers, and generally anyone who thinks he owns his property.

This! When you buy something it is your right as a consumer to re-sell it. Imagine the car industry blocking used car sales haha! That would be hilarious. You can only do this with physical copies of videogames because somehow "hardcore" gamers think it's their duty to "support" developers even if that means taking away basic rights from the consumer. I'm absolutely amazed. If Apple did this with its notebooks the shitstorm would be all over the web. 

What's next? A bailout for the game industry? Treasure hunting in the amazon to support game development? 

Games = software = lincense model. You can thank Microsoft for pushing the software industry as it did. It's not new and not hurting any rights of consumers. Otherwise it would have been stopped decades ago. But back then and to this day, MS was the pride of America of course. It was cool because it was oh so big and successful. Nobody cared what they actually did to the industry. Yeah good things, but also lots of bad things. Now people wake up and talk about "freedom" and stuff, when in fact, the world is no longer about freedom.

The car comparison is common and old by now. People should also think about if it's actually good to use Windows then. The majority complains about that OS as well but nobody has the balls to switch to UNIX based OSs.

Physical game boxes are no license. I'm not talking about downloads but the physical copies of games. Otherwise my notebook would be license too because it runs software and is useless without it.

Being common and old doesn't make things wrong - go say that to your grandma. I don't use windows btw I'm using a UNIX based OS  



Would people complain this much if the Xbox One just went all digital?

The discs just save time compared to downloading games.



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Kyuu said:
ironmanDX said:
Everyone complains about the cost of games going up gen on gen, MS puts in a solution that in the long term will drive down the prices like steam, MS still gets bashed.


Ok.


You know very well this isn't what's making gamers complain.


I know, anything MS related is. The device I'm using to type right now is online 24/7, the Xone is not. Steam, offers only new games at discounted prices because they can, there is no second hand market to compete with... The internet has blown this out of porportion without thinking. That, is what I see.