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Conegamer on 17 May 2013

Well, the 3DS is selling pretty well, but not great. And the Wii U has had a dreadful start, but you never know if it can make a comeback or not.

However, having said that it is arguable that Nintendo "never" lost America, because they never had it. It was always Xbox over there this gen, if we ignore the early Wii craze.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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Soundwave on 17 May 2013

The 3DS is selling average I would say.

Assuming the Wii U can eventually sell about 70-75% of what the 3DS sells in North America, you're looking at like 90k-100k for a month like this (and I mean in a post-Mario 3D/Mario Kart U environment).

Which is about GameCube territory.



Ljink96 on 17 May 2013

To an extent, yes. American gamers are more interested in war games, fps, and realist based games than the cartoony styles of Mario and Sonic. I'm not saying that NA doesn't care about Mario or Sonic but our tastes have changed. I don't necessarily agree with that but hey, whatever. You can't say when a Sonic or Pikmin ever outsold a Call of Duty or Halo can you? Nintendo was killer back in the day and they still are today. The audience has just changed.



zuvuyeay on 17 May 2013

i thought sony lost america but i don't think nintendo is the "darling" of america anymore,1st party should always keep nintendo floating but MS are heavy weights now,who knows how the WiiU gen will turn out,i don't



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BuckStud on 17 May 2013
Soundwave said:
Otakumegane said:
I honestly think you are a stealth troll, claiming to be a Nintendo fan but is actually Wander.

Hm....


I'd wager I know more about Nintendo and have been playing Nintendo games since many posters on this site were just in their diapers.

I'm part of the original NES generation and have owned every Nintendo platform from the 1980s onwards except the Virtual Boy, which I probably will eventually get around to buying for collectible purposes.

I'm not a fan of the current leadership (Iwata, Miyamoto, Reggie, etc.) of Nintendo though and I'll freely admit that. I think their poor decision making in the last 3-4 years has hurt the company very badly.

I'll take that challenge.  I'm part of the Atari 2600 generation and have owned every single Nintendo system released in the US including the Virtual Boy.  Every one of them were bought new when first released.  When the NES first came out, I purchased the deluxe set with ROB and every week when my girlfriend (at the time) got paid, she would go out and buy mew a new game for it.  My best Nintendo collection was for the Gamecube as I had over 320 games (all complete) before I sold it off.  I also had an awesome Dreamcast collection with over 210 games (all complete) for that.

As for Nintendo leadership, it real easy for people to be armchair CEO's, it's not as easy to be the real one.  While I don't agree with everything they've done (the 3DS and Wii U launches could have been far better), the company has been extremely successful.  Of the big three, they've made by far the most money in the gaming industry.



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TheLastStarFighter on 17 May 2013

Nintendo hardware accounted for 48% of total units last week. I would say that the simple but emphatic answer is "no", Nintendo has not lost the US market.

Nintendo brands are still far and away the brands of choice for children. And Nintendo has a solid share in all demographics.

The only thing holding back Nintendo from total dominence of the market is the weak-selling Wii U. If it gets a moderate uptick in sales to reach only respectable sales, Nintendo will have well over 50% of US hardware.



JGarret on 17 May 2013
BuckStud said:
Soundwave said:
Otakumegane said:
I honestly think you are a stealth troll, claiming to be a Nintendo fan but is actually Wander.

Hm....


I'd wager I know more about Nintendo and have been playing Nintendo games since many posters on this site were just in their diapers.

I'm part of the original NES generation and have owned every Nintendo platform from the 1980s onwards except the Virtual Boy, which I probably will eventually get around to buying for collectible purposes.

I'm not a fan of the current leadership (Iwata, Miyamoto, Reggie, etc.) of Nintendo though and I'll freely admit that. I think their poor decision making in the last 3-4 years has hurt the company very badly.

I'll take that challenge.  I'm part of the Atari 2600 generation and have owned every single Nintendo system released in the US including the Virtual Boy.  Every one of them were bought new when first released.  When the NES first came out, I purchased the deluxe set with ROB and every week when my girlfriend (at the time) got paid, she would go out and buy mew a new game for it.  My best Nintendo collection was for the Gamecube as I had over 320 games (all complete) before I sold it off.  I also had an awesome Dreamcast collection with over 210 games (all complete) for that.

As for Nintendo leadership, it real easy for people to be armchair CEO's, it's not as easy to be the real one.  While I don't agree with everything they've done (the 3DS and Wii U launches could have been far better), the company has been extremely successful.  Of the big three, they've made by far the most money in the gaming industry.


So, did you get to witness the famous 1983 crash (if you live in the U.S.)?



Yakuzaice on 17 May 2013
Michael-5 said:

1. I track sales on an excel file, and make a thread every quarter. I have 3DS up YoY in North America by about 35% for April/May, but my Q1 excel file needs to be updated since VGC recently had a huge adjustment. I forgot 3DS wasn't doing that amazing, I was being lazy and didn't look up my Q1 file.

I have 3DS as down by about 43% or so for Q1. So right now it's still likely down YoY, but 3DS is tracking a lot better now then it was in January, and has more software coming out which will boost sales. Still, 3DS was doing super well in Q1 of 2012 because of the $80 price cut in 2011, but sales got weaker in fall 2012. 2013 should have a considerable increase in NA and WW 3DS sales as 3DS is now selling better on a weekly basis.

So if 3DS keeps up this pace, it should still perform better in 2013 then it did in 2012, and if Animal Crossing and Pokemon make a big impact on sales (which they should) then 3DS could do a lot better, maybe even sell around 20 million for the year. Worst case, I think 3DS will break 15 million.

2. As for Wii U sales, I think Wii U will sell "much better" then all other Nintendo home consoles except the Wii. Not 100% sure if Wii U will outsell the Wii, it might, it might not, it's too early to tell. However NES sold fairly well, if Wii U sells much less then I think it will, I think worst case it will still outsell the NES, just not by a huge margin.

It's not tracking a lot better now though.  In January it averaged between 25.2-29.8k.  In April it averaged 25.8-32.5k in the US.  It is also most likely down YoY for both of these months.  Best case scenario it is up a few percent in April if sales are equal to the 360.  Considering the huge overtracking for both the 3DS and Luigi in April, it is pretty clear the May numbers are not very accurate.

Ending the year with over 39% growth YoY seems like a tall order when it has been down so far.  At the moment, even with the overtracked April numbers it will need to be up 54% YoY for the last eight months to hit 20 million.

I just don't see any logical reason for the Wii U to start performing that well.  We're talking about a system that has trailed Gamecube monthly sales for six months in a row.  Putting up some of the worst monthly figures ever for a relevant console.  Yet you think it will manage to triple what the Gamecube did in the Americas?  If more than 34 million is much less than you expect, what do you expect?  40 million? 45?  The Wii did 1.4 million in the US in the first four months of 2007.  That's more than six times what the Wii U is doing in the same time frame and you're actually entertaining the thought that the Wii U can sell more than the Wii?

Do you really think 100% of the casual buyers (and more) will return?  It doesn't seem to be the case on the 3DS looking at sales of Brain Training or Nintendogs.  I know people like to point to the PS3's rocky start as an example that consoles can turn it around, but its worst month was more than double what the Wii U did in April.  Its sales are also nowhere near the NES or Wii in North America.



noname2200 on 17 May 2013

Nintendo almost never had touch with North America, not in the way you're asking. Aside from Rare's N64 days (amongst Nintendo's least successful days, until this generation), Nintendo of America's job has always been to take Japanese games and products and pitch them to the North American audience. They're not and have never been Sony, who makes it a point to create North American studios to make "North American" games.



Kaizar on 17 May 2013
zorg1000 said:
Kaizar said:
zorg1000 said:
Kaizar said:
zorg1000 said:
Yakuzaice said:
Kaizar said:

2008 to 2011 doesn't count. And April is not a marketing month.

And I said Sony & Nintendo, but I guess your browser didn't fully load the page or something.

Why exactly do they not count?  What is the barometer for "doing so good"?  Selling almost as much as one of the 360's worst months ever?  I seem to recall you didn't mind comparisons to previous systems when you would make up numbers about how the 3DS outsold every system after 24 months or whatever.

You said Nintendo, and then I guess you edited the post after I quoted you. 

Kaizar said:

You say it's the games that sale the 3DS, but the 3DS only gotten most of those games because of 3D, otherwise it would have gone to the PS Vita or Home Consoles or never get thought up in the first place, or in the case of Kid Icarus: Uprising, it would have never been rebooted in the first place.
Kaizar said:

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems.

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is crappy games like Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.

What world are you living in?  You think Nintendo's handheld would have no games if it wasn't 3D?  Besides the fact that it is first party software that is driving sales, why would third parties have made their 3DS games for Vita or consoles if there hadn't been 3D?

What metric shows that 3D means more to consumers than HD?

Sales speak for themselves?  What sales?  Because I'm pretty sure way more than 10% of consumers have purchased HDTV's.  HD consoles sold quite a bit as well, and 3DS sales don't suggest that people love 3D while not caring about HD.

The only third party games HD systems have gotten are RE6 and FF13 while 3DS is getting all the support?  I have to ask again, what planet are you on?  Also both of your "new games" came out around a year ago, and they are both from established franchises.


Im starting to give up on this guy, he never presents proof for his claims and thinks that his opinions are 100% fact. I think 3D is starting to scramble his brain


You never present proof for your claims and you are saying that that's okay.

I can easily say that Color TV has been scrambling everyones brain, but that would be fanboy-ism.

What r these claims im making that u refer to? Your the one that throws out numbers and crazy statements with nothing to back yhem


Your claims are that 3D TVs hasn't sold more then HD TVs during same point in life spam and that the 3DS didn't get such games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D & Star Fox 3D & Zelda OoT 3D & Cave Story 3D & Super mario 3D land & Metal Gear Solid 3D & the upcoming Resident Evil DDD & etc. etc. because of its 3D effect.

I never said 3D tvs didnt sell better, I asked u to provide proof that it did.

The other thing is just plain stupid, half those those games r first party, Nintendo wpuld release them tegardless if they decided to use 3D or not. As for the other games, those developers heavily supported DS so its a given they release games for its successor. No proof is needed as its completely obvious. Claiming things like those games wpuldnt be made if not for 3D requires proof since its so off the wall that it makes no sense.

And I ask you for proof that Hd Tv sells more better then 3D TVs during same point of life spam.

And here's more 3DS games that got on the 3DS because of 3D:

Angler's Club: Ultimate Bass Fishing 3D & Arcade 3D & Asphalt 3D & Azito 3D & Kdi Icaurs: Uprising Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror or Fate & Carnival Games: Wild West 3D & Captain America: Super Soldier (instead of PSP) & Thor (instead of PSP) & Chocobo Racing 3D & Monster Hunter 3 & 4 & Class of Heroes 3Dx3D & Comabt of Giants: Dinosaurs 3D & Crush 3D & dead or Alive: Dimensions & Deca Sports Extreme & Donkey Kong Counrty Returns 3D & Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D & Driver: Renegade 3D & Epic Mickey: Power of illusion & Sonic Generations & E.X. Troopers & Fish Eyes 3D Frogger 3D Tetris Axis & unchained Blades 1 & 2 & Gabrielle's Ghostly Groove 3D & Gundam: The 3D Battle & Hakuōki 3D & Harvest Moon: The Tale of Two Towns & Hatsune Miku and Future Stars: Project Mirai & Heroes of Ruin & The Hidden & Spirit Camera: The Cursed Memior & Horrid Henry: The Good, The Bad and The Bugly & Rhythm Thief and the emperor's treasure & the World ends with you 2 & Golden Sun 4 & Imagine Fashion Designer 3D & Jaws: Ultimate Predator & King of Piraites & Beyond the Labyrinth & Licca-chan 3D & Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon & Mahjong Cub3D & Mario Golf: World Tour & Mario Party 3D & Mario Tennis Open & Moe Moe Daisensou Gendaiban 3D & Myst 3D & Naruto Shippūden 3D: The New Era & Art Academy: Lessons for Everyone & Nicktoons MLB 3D & Ninja Gaiden 3D & Pac Man and Galaga Dimensions Paper mario: Sticker Star & Petz Fantasy 3D & Pilotwings Resort & Steel Diver & Project X Zone & Rabbids: Travel in Time 3D & Rayman 3D & Reel Fishing Paradise 3D & Ridge Racer 3D & Planet Crashers & RollerCoaster Tycoon 3D & Runabout 3D: Drive Impossible & Sd Gundam G Generation 3D & Persona 3D & Skylanders Spyro's Adventure & Skylanders Giants & Skylanders Swapforce & Sonic Generations & Savvy Style: Fashion Trendsetters & Mega Man legends 3 & mega man legends 3 prototype & Super Monkey Ball 3D & Super Smash Bros, 3D & Super Street fighter 4 3D edition & Tlaes of the Abyss 3D & Time Travelers & Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 3D & Tekken 3D: Prime edition & Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars & Shifting Worlds & Digimon Redegitize Decode & WWE All Stars & Zoo Resort 3D & Sherlock Holmes and the Mystery of the Frozen City & 101 DinoPets 3D & 3D Blcok Kuzushi & 3D Game Collection & 3D Mahjongg 3D Solitaire & Air Battle Hockey 3D & Alien Chaos 3D & ARC Sytle Baseball 3D & all othe ARC Style games & Art of Balnce TOUCH! & ATV Wild Ride 3D & Azito 3D Kyoto & Azito 3D Osaka & Azito Tokyo & Bearshark the game & Bird Mania 3D & BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 & Bit Trip Saga & Bust a move universe & Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion & Contra 3D & Conduit 3D & Dragon quest 7 & Dream Trigger 3D & Coaster Creator 3D & Colors! 3D & Pushmo & Crashmo & Crazy chicken Pirates 3D & Crimson Shroud & The Denpa Men They came by waves & the denpa men 2 beyond the waves & Dillon Rolling Western & Dilon Rolling Western the last ranger & Dot runner complete edition & escapeVektor & family beach volleyball 3D & family table tennis 3D & family tennis 3D & Flipnote studio 3D & Fluidity spin cycle & spy hunter & batman Arkham origins 2 & Fun Fun Minigolf touch & ginseiigo 3D & Gunman Clive & Sakura Samurai art of the sword & Hanafuda 3D & harmoknight & heavy fire special operations 3D & Cave Story + & ikachan & jewel master atlantis 3D & Jett Rocket 2 the wrath of taikai & johnny kung fu & johnny hotshot & johnny impossible & any games by Nikoli & Kersploosh! & let's golf 3D (lets golf 2) & liberation maiden localize & aero portal localize & mad dog mccree & mahjong 3D warriors of the emperor & mahjong mysteries ancient athena & mario and donkey kong minis on the move 3DS & marvel pinball 3D zen pinball 3D & mighty switch force 1 & 2 & monster shooter & speedX 3D & SpeedX 3D hyper edtion & murder on the titanic & BloodRayne the shroud & mutant mudds 1 & 2 & my riding stables 3D jumping for the team & nightsky & okiraku bowling 3D & kiraku cart 3D & okiraku daifugō 3D & okiraku golf 3D & othello 3D & outdoors unleashed africa 3D & pix 3D & pokédex 3D & pokédex 3D pro & pokémon dream radar & pyramids & real heroes firefighter 3D & riding stables 3D rivals in the saddle & rising board 3D & saber rider and the star sheriffs & samurai G & samurai sword destiny & shantae and the pirates curse & silver star chess 3D & any simple DL series & soccer up 3D & space harrier 3D & sparkle snapshots 3D & e starship damrey & super hang-on 3D & super little acorns 3D turbo & touch battle tank 3D & vektorRacing & VVVVVV & Zombie slayer diox & assassin's creed 3D (NOT lost legacy but a different announce title) & another Zelda remake or 2 remakes.