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binary solo on 07 May 2013
walsufnir said:
binary solo said:
kowenicki said:
7 cents a disc of which Sony will receive less than 1 cent,

7 dollars per drive of which Sony will receive less than 1 dollar.

Sony needs all the help it can get. So they'll be hoping for massive Nextbox sales. In fact they'll probably start out making more money off every Nextbox sold than PS4, figuring Sony will sell each PS4 at a small (hopefully) loss.

At 1c/disc and Nextbox hopefully selling an average of 100 million discs per year that'll be a cool $1 million per year from Nextbox disc sales. Should just about cover Kaz's lunch money.


The problem is that they have to give MS more money because of Android...

1. I thought Sony was still holding out.

2. Sony's Android sales are still pretty sad, so they'll probably come out ahead for a wee while.

3. It's still a revenue stream from Nextbox that did not exist with Xbox360.



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walsufnir on 07 May 2013
binary solo said:
walsufnir said:
binary solo said:
kowenicki said:
7 cents a disc of which Sony will receive less than 1 cent,

7 dollars per drive of which Sony will receive less than 1 dollar.

Sony needs all the help it can get. So they'll be hoping for massive Nextbox sales. In fact they'll probably start out making more money off every Nextbox sold than PS4, figuring Sony will sell each PS4 at a small (hopefully) loss.

At 1c/disc and Nextbox hopefully selling an average of 100 million discs per year that'll be a cool $1 million per year from Nextbox disc sales. Should just about cover Kaz's lunch money.


The problem is that they have to give MS more money because of Android...

1. I thought Sony was still holding out.

2. Sony's Android sales are still pretty sad, so they'll probably come out ahead for a wee while.

3. It's still a revenue stream from Nextbox that did not exist with Xbox360.


2. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/sony-xperia-z-sales-top-46-million-in-40-days-report-354794 Not soooo bad... And there Android-sales are now higher than ever. Remember, they have to pay for *every* android-phone they sell. You can be sure they sell way more Android-phones than MS will with NextBox.

3. And the Android-income didn't happen when 360 was released... So what? I don't know how much Sony has to pay for MS but I think it is *way* more than MS has to pay to the br-association. AFAIR it was sth. around $10.



oldschoolfool on 07 May 2013

I don't believe this rumor.



eFKac on 07 May 2013
Dodece said:
Sony is just one member of the BluRay Disc Association which governs the format. While Sony may receive royalties as a partner in the organization. Their power is finite. Most especially their power of persuasion. Any such clause just wouldn't be in the formats best interest. Not only would foster future competition from parties that were blocked out of licensing. That would result in all of the members losing out on potential profit. Not just on licensing fees for each disc sold, or the technology to run the discs. Which many of the partners manufacture. It would also slow the adoption, and keep the technology from achieving even wider acceptance.

This of coarse is all entirely moot, because this story is entirely contrary to Sony's publicly stated intent. The fact of the matter is that Sony asked Microsoft to adopt the format for their consoles. Let me say that again they asked Microsoft to put the tech in their system, and to support the format. Why would they do that, and then opt to cock block Microsoft from getting in bed with them. Microsoft actually has plenty of choices. It isn't like BluRay is the only high capacity format in town. There are a lot of companies shopping their disc formats around right now. Some with substantially better specification as far as raw storage, faster reading speeds, and power consumption.

This person obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

I agree with the first paragraph, but the second one sounds more like your opinion/wishful thinking. Not accusing you, your comments usually hold ground but  would you mind to provide some sources to the statement that Sony asked Microsoft to use Blu-Ray and to name those other disc format choices?



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Alby_da_Wolf on 07 May 2013

As tens others already wrote, Sony doesn't own Blu-Ray exclusively, and although it's one of the most important members of BDA, the members of the Board of Directors are 19, and many are bigger than Sony. Sony receives part of the royalties, but it should persuade at least 9 other tech giants to block licensing to MS, and most probably it couldn't anyway, each member accepts a cross-licensing agreement, gives the agreed royalties to BDA for the drives or discs it produces, then each member owning patents receives its share. BTW, many of the members do business with MS, they wouldn't have accepted such a thing.





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foodfather on 07 May 2013

Most likely BS. If Sony does have exclusivity, MS would have known about this. If its something Sony pulled out of their arse in the last minute, MS would slaughter Sony in court.



thetonestarr on 07 May 2013
Dodece said:
Sony is just one member of the BluRay Disc Association which governs the format. While Sony may receive royalties as a partner in the organization. Their power is finite. Most especially their power of persuasion. Any such clause just wouldn't be in the formats best interest. Not only would foster future competition from parties that were blocked out of licensing. That would result in all of the members losing out on potential profit. Not just on licensing fees for each disc sold, or the technology to run the discs. Which many of the partners manufacture. It would also slow the adoption, and keep the technology from achieving even wider acceptance.

This of coarse is all entirely moot, because this story is entirely contrary to Sony's publicly stated intent. The fact of the matter is that Sony asked Microsoft to adopt the format for their consoles. Let me say that again they asked Microsoft to put the tech in their system, and to support the format. Why would they do that, and then opt to cock block Microsoft from getting in bed with them. Microsoft actually has plenty of choices. It isn't like BluRay is the only high capacity format in town. There are a lot of companies shopping their disc formats around right now. Some with substantially better specification as far as raw storage, faster reading speeds, and power consumption.

This person obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.


Naturally, I'm not disagreeing with you, but when you make such a rebuttal, a source is appropriate.



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Tachikoma on 07 May 2013

Yeah, because if this bullsheet was true, the WiiU would be out using a customized version of bluray, wouldn't it.



Tachikoma on 07 May 2013
kowenicki said:
7 cents a disc of which Sony will receive less than 1 cent,

7 dollars per drive of which Sony will receive less than 1 dollar.

You forget the licensing required for mass production printing machines, Licensing for distrubution in various regions is also different and of course licensing to modify the format of the drive to implement additional security for disk protection, whilst maintaining the functionality of original disks, but hey..



walsufnir on 07 May 2013
Tachikoma said:
kowenicki said:
7 cents a disc of which Sony will receive less than 1 cent,

7 dollars per drive of which Sony will receive less than 1 dollar.

You forget the licensing required for mass production printing machines, Licensing for distrubution in various regions is also different and of course licensing to modify the format of the drive to implement additional security for disk protection, whilst maintaining the functionality of original disks, but hey..


Where do all these licenses come from? Could you provide a link?