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ghost_of_fazz on 05 April 2013
ethomaz said:

Soleron said:

No, it was launched in February and this hw survey shows all the types of Linux for the first time.

But it was in response to the first post which said the others were "irrelevant".

The biggest recent trend is probably people using Intel integrated graphics more. With Haswell and Kaveri we may well see discrete graphics cards become altogether niche.

February this year? This is really new lol.

I think the trend in the next years is the integrated graphcis (APU) dominate the market... Intel and AMD have the tech (AMD better in GPU terms and Intel better in CPU terms) and nVidia is trying to go into some ARM + GPU integrated thing.

The mobile/pad will grow to stop the PC market grow too... I think more and more things like Kaveri will happen.

The strong and super entusiastics GPUs will a be a thing of the past... more and more the PC world is moving to high power efficiency than pure performance hardwares

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think IGPs have ALWAYS dominated the PC market... that is if we consider the whole PC market, not only the gamer and enthusiast part of it.



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ethomaz on 05 April 2013
ghost_of_fazz said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think IGPs have ALWAYS dominated the PC market... that is if we consider the whole PC market, not only the gamer and enthusiast part of it.

Yeap but I mean even the gamers will use APU and not more dedicated GPUs.

The SteamBox is supose to have a APU too.



dahuman on 05 April 2013
ethomaz said:

dahuman said:

Oh I'm not going to disagree with that assesment at all because optimized games on the PS4 will very much outperform a 580 IMO, but I did list 2 cards and not 1 in my reply which then becomes a different story on that front with driver optimizations from Nvidia. SLI and Crossfire have been part of the PC industry since 2004-2005 and have since then evolved much so many PC gamers have adopted to the technology, I was simply stating that the Steam list won't help with showing that unless they have a list for that too.

I agree but even when I was a PC gamer (in the GTX 280 / HD 4000 era) I neve like to compare SLI/Crossfire GPUs with single GPUs... the scalle of these techs are average and there are a lot of dependent of the game/drivers.

I always will be prefer a single gpu over a dual CF/SLI.


You are talking about the old days by now with the scaling part, Crossfire can scale from  90-96% average up to 100% these days on the newer cards so it's become a very viable setup and that's why you see some people on this site running multi-GPU setups in different variants. They are absolutely part of the equation and shouldn't be left out as 99% of the new high profile games support multi-GPU technology.



Mnementh on 05 April 2013
ethomaz said:

pezus said:

What's the equivalent Nvidia card?

Looks like quite a few actually, at least 5%+.

Well just puting raw numbers... the PS4 GPU is better than HD 7850... so the GPUs betters are (not listing dual-gpu):

HD 7970 (.56%)
HD 7950 (.55%)
HD 7870 (.61%)
GTX 680 (1.71% 1.01%)
GTX 670 (1.33%)

~ 4%

Titan is not listed yet... so over 90% of Steam players have a GPU equal or in most cases (the most % GPU are weak onboads) weaker GPUs than PS4.

PS. I'm not putting the CloseToMetal and console optimizations development in perspective yet because that can remove HD 7870 and GTX 670 from the list of better GPU than PS4.

Edit - Fixed I got the wrong percentages for GTX 680.

PC-gaming has a lot of different setups, even older gaming-computer already in use. So a fair comparison should take active used PS3s, X360s, Wiis, WiiUs and so on into account. So, how long do you think until PS4 reaches 4% of active used consoles? And how much of the steam-users will use a more advanced GPU by then?



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dahuman on 05 April 2013
BasilZero said:
crissindahouse said:
BasilZero said:
 


How do you find information like this - still noob to the Steam Interface ;x

how you see it in steam? mouse over shop->stats and then on the right site you can click the survey


OOoh thanks!

Also...am I seeing that right....>.>

HD6970 2GB more FPS than HD7850 2GB? o.O

Why is that?

the x8xx is the step child of the x9xx line up, that's why.



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Barozi on 05 April 2013
BasilZero said:


OOoh thanks!

Also...am I seeing that right....>.>

HD6970 2GB more FPS than HD7850 2GB? o.O

Why is that?

Why wouldn't it ?

6970 is AMD's high end card of the last generation, 7850 is "just" the upper middle class of this generation.



Mnementh on 05 April 2013
Soleron said:
1% of Steam users using Linux is actually huge given Steam's userbase size and Linux's total unsuitability for gaming due to the state of the graphics drivers.

But Linux is losing percentage. That's bad considering Steam on Linux is new.



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ghost_of_fazz on 05 April 2013
ethomaz said:
ghost_of_fazz said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think IGPs have ALWAYS dominated the PC market... that is if we consider the whole PC market, not only the gamer and enthusiast part of it.

Yeap but I mean even the gamers will use APU and not more dedicated GPUs.

The SteamBox is supose to have a APU too.


Well it could be.

But rather than gamers abandoning dedicated graphics card, I see APUs opening the horizon of heavier, non-casual games to mainstream users. Even mainstream users will have enough powers to run most games decently, and easily, without the (perceived) hassle of installing additional parts. And that's awesome, because it makes the PC market more important to the gaming industry.



Soleron on 05 April 2013
dahuman said:
ethomaz said:

dahuman said:

Oh I'm not going to disagree with that assesment at all because optimized games on the PS4 will very much outperform a 580 IMO, but I did list 2 cards and not 1 in my reply which then becomes a different story on that front with driver optimizations from Nvidia. SLI and Crossfire have been part of the PC industry since 2004-2005 and have since then evolved much so many PC gamers have adopted to the technology, I was simply stating that the Steam list won't help with showing that unless they have a list for that too.

I agree but even when I was a PC gamer (in the GTX 280 / HD 4000 era) I neve like to compare SLI/Crossfire GPUs with single GPUs... the scalle of these techs are average and there are a lot of dependent of the game/drivers.

I always will be prefer a single gpu over a dual CF/SLI.


You are talking about the old days by now with the scaling part, Crossfire can scale from  90-96% average up to 100% these days on the newer cards so it's become a very viable setup and that's why you see some people on this site running multi-GPU setups in different variants. They are absolutely part of the equation and shouldn't be left out as 99% of the new high profile games support multi-GPU technology.

Go and look at the Anandtech and Tech Report frame-time analysis. Crossfire/SLI's framerates are a myth.

Also you severely overestimate their market share.



dahuman on 05 April 2013
Soleron said:
dahuman said:
ethomaz said:

dahuman said:

Oh I'm not going to disagree with that assesment at all because optimized games on the PS4 will very much outperform a 580 IMO, but I did list 2 cards and not 1 in my reply which then becomes a different story on that front with driver optimizations from Nvidia. SLI and Crossfire have been part of the PC industry since 2004-2005 and have since then evolved much so many PC gamers have adopted to the technology, I was simply stating that the Steam list won't help with showing that unless they have a list for that too.

I agree but even when I was a PC gamer (in the GTX 280 / HD 4000 era) I neve like to compare SLI/Crossfire GPUs with single GPUs... the scalle of these techs are average and there are a lot of dependent of the game/drivers.

I always will be prefer a single gpu over a dual CF/SLI.


You are talking about the old days by now with the scaling part, Crossfire can scale from  90-96% average up to 100% these days on the newer cards so it's become a very viable setup and that's why you see some people on this site running multi-GPU setups in different variants. They are absolutely part of the equation and shouldn't be left out as 99% of the new high profile games support multi-GPU technology.

Go and look at the Anandtech and Tech Report frame-time analysis. Crossfire/SLI's framerates are a myth.

Also you severely overestimate their market share.

Na, I never said most people use them or anything, I'm not crazy enough for that, I'm just saying it's a viable option and it's out there no matter how small the percentage might be. I also know about the frame latency drop issues, but it's still a high gain regardless, I'm sure you already read this article too:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-benchmarking-frame-rate,3466.html