his avatar says alot lol

A whole 1 million units of the most popular console. That is all the systems that can be attributes directly to Brawl. Stop making shit up and start looking at actual figures. This thread has just become you guys repeating the same claim with not a single shred of evidence behind you.

"SSB is a system seller!" Well please, prove it with something called evidence, y'know, facts & figures:

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The only franchise that will really make the Wii-U sale is..... one that doesn't exist yet. They need to come up with something new that will rival Pokemon and Mario.

Nintendo needs to get it's act together, they haven't created a big new franchise in like what, 10-15 years?(and no they Wii sports games don't count since they don't create a new digital ''universe'').

The evidence, the facts and figures, is in Wii hardware sales before and after SSB. And the role SSB has played within the Nintendo fanbase for the last 12 years. The latter is key; you cannot understand the business side without understanding the underlying social mechanics.

But you don't understand that, you look at a weekly bump and fail to comprehend that the real bump was the countless consoles bought BEFORE SSB on the promise of it, and AFTER through word of mouth and people playing at friend's houses then going on to buy it themselves. If you knew how the market worked, you'd know week of release week bumps are an inaccurate way of measuring  how much of a system seller something is, they're merely the tip of an iceberg.

I can only speak for myself, but I would love a WiiU Pokemon game where you used the WiiU remote as an actual pokedex. You could hold it up to the screen when a Pokemon comes up and it could look it up for you just like in the show :D

The only sales that could be attributed to SSBB is 1 million consoles, and that's working with the outlandish idea that the peaks show buyers who all bought the wii just for SSBB. After that Mario karts was released so the sales become even more complex. However if we adjust sales to a baseline rate, and then add in the extra units sold, you are talking <1 million consoles for one title alone. Because of this, I don't think any one game will save the Wii U. Several may increase sales for a few months, but ultimately such a scenario didn't guarentee either the N64's or GC's success so why will it this time around?

Do you have a paper or some evidence for this social mechanic? Have you ever been to university because surely you know that just claiming something is so is not evidence - just a premise. 

Actually I do consider the increase in sales before SSBB. Again, the increase totals 1 million consoles - 1 million consoles for a very, very popular console. You literally just have a premise and are screaming that it's right without giving any facts or figures at all. Come on dude, we're not 14, can you please approach this debate as if it was a university question because at the moment my premise of "you're wrong, the spikes are because baby jesus made them do it" is literally just as valid. 

Smash Bros and Mario Kart and Zelda and 3D Mario are only going to take you 30-40 million users, but they'll sell a lot individually.

If Nintendo wants to get beyond that they need something new to break out. That's the big question. Not these franchises. We already have seen this script before.

The Wii had Wii Sports and Wii Fit that brought in millions upon millions of lapsed gamers/soccer moms/women/non-gamers/seniors/party console types.

The NES had tons of third party support like Megaman, Contra, Final Fantasy, Ninja Turtles, etc.

The SNES had Donkey Kong Country (Rare cometh), Star Fox (3D polygons), Street Fighter II, and the best 16-bit version of Mortal Kombat II.

What's the Wii U got outside of the same 4 or 5 Nintendo franchises that are on every Nintendo console? That's the question right now.

Even the N64 had GoldenEye come out of nowhere and become a monster hit and establish the FPS genre on the home console definitively. That game carried that system until Zelda was ready, but without it, who knows, the N64 very well might've ended up with 25-27 million instead of the 33 million userbase it sold. 

[EDIT] Better not play with fire. Ha ha!

I don't regret getting the Gamecube or Wii either, and when the games I want are out I'm sure I won't regret the Wii U either. But the knowledge that I would probably get more for less money if Nintendo went third party bothers me. They would jump forwards a generation with the hardware they use, and I wouldn't have to buy a console just for their games and could buy more games with the extra money.

Anyway, I'm going to hope that this is a transitional console as they work their way back from the more "casual" Wii. I hope they gain the confidence to compete directly with Sony and Microsoft again.

I wonder if these gaming journalists, analysts and forum members will start harping on about Sony and Microsoft going third party when the PS4 and 720 don't outsell the Wii U launches aligned..? This time next year is going to be VERY interesting lol.

The PS4 is going to be priced higher than the 720 and the 720 is going to be priced higher than the Wii U and may have serious problems selling if the rumours of it being always online and not having used games playable end up being true...and we've already had confirmation that the Wii U is getting a SKU of cross-generation titles such as Watch Dogs.

Could gamers start to switch to a Nintendo platform if the PS4 is too expensive and the 720's no used games thing proves to be a dealbreaker..?