You're trying to say I defend the WiiU? No, I'm fully aware it is bombing, hence I wrote (that is is the quote-tree I did cut now, but you can read it in the quotes in your post): "Looking at thefirst years weekly sales WiiU is trending below PS3 even before european launch."

Also I can assure you, that I would prefer PS3-like sales for WiiU: worse launch but better momentum.

I even made a thread about the sales of WiiU compared to other consoles, and in that I state the abysmal sales of the device. I have made a graphic, that shows it:

As you can see the WiiU trends below everything.

The WiiU will be out 4 months at the END of march. We have yesterday got the sales-data for the 16th week: http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41343/Global/

I can't much talk about the future, I'm unable to make prophecies. But after 16 weeks of sales the WiiU sold 2,712,674 units (follow the link, if you don't believe me). After 16 weeks of sales the PS3 had sold 1,872,722 units ( http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39138/Global/ ). We can't compare more by now, as we don't know future sales of WiiU. But I already said (in the abnormally big quote-tree I cutted), that it is to expect according to current sales that the PS3 will be ahead of WiiU sometime in the future. But that is somewhat off-topic, as the thread is about 'Wii U Initial Sales Better Than PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360?'. And that question can be answered with yes. I don't know why you and Max King of the Wild want to go offtopic all the time. Only because I have the numbers that show WiiU sold better initially? I also say that this is worth nothing without the momentum, but you two want to change the topic. You can't discuss away numbers.

Even if the PS3 will have better cumulated sales at one point launch-aligned (and I expect that with current sales), it doesn't change the fact the WiiU sold better INITIALLY (yes, hard to understand word).

"I'm sorry that you can't comprehend you don't have sales data for the first 4 months?"

As I showed, the WiiU is not yet on sale for 4 month, sales-data is behind one or two weeks more.

"t wouldn't make a difference the Wii U is bombing right now you don't want to do that comparison because you will loose even though that's a 100% fair comparison."

I always said that the WiiU sells worse starting with the new year. So why do you say stuff like that. And the fair comparison of the first 16 weeks shows the WiiU on top. So I don't even know what you're talking about. Can't you accept WiiU is doing in one category better than PS3, even if that is worth nothing? Do you really need to defend the PS3 so hard, it is already a successful system with more than 70 million sold. I don't try that hard to defend the WiiU, although I have one, I always said and say now that the current sales are catastrophic.

The reason everyone in this thread brings up launch-sales, is that the thread is about that: 'Wii U Initial Sales Better Than PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360?' And I don't spin the bad sales of the WiiU, everytime in the quote-tree I was saying the WiiU sold better initially I also say it does abysmal now. But you only read one part and say I try to spin. If you want to see the full picture, I have made a thread and in this you can see how bad the WiiU does currently: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=152379

But sure, ignore that and try to make a spin that I'm a rabid Nintendo-defender, that wants to show the good side of sales and ignores the bad. I don't ignore the bad. But you try to ignore the ONE statistics the WiiU did better than the PS3. Why? I already said that it is worth nothing. And I wouldn't bring it up in a normal sales-thread, but this is a thread about initial sales.

Both of you try to compare to data we don't have. We don't have a second quarter of shipment for WiiU yet and we don't have 4 months of sales-data yet. Make threads as that happens and I will happily discuss in them.

We don't have the holiday sales of WiiU after a year of sales. At the current trend we could expect them to be worse than that data you shared, but so far we don't know. So why do you bring it up? And don't try to compare holiday sales after 1 year on the market to holiday sales at launch. There's a difference, you know, games.

LOL! It was Ps3's first holiday in EU and it had no games. Or are you forgeting the "Ps3 has no game" meme? Also, considering that the figures I provide don't factor in the incredible 600k launch sales it's a more than fair comparison. Anyway you compare it Ps3 is at a handicap. However, the biggest spin and ps3 handicap you could use would be the first 4 months when the Ps3 lacked European sales

I don't know how you all get that myth. Let's take a look:

As you can see, even with a worldwide synchronized launch the PS3 would be behind WiiU. That doesn't change the fact, that after these good initial sales (and that's what the thread is about) the WiiU fell like a rock.

It was the first holiday in europe, but it had a year of sales behind it. And I remember the meme, but it was an overexaggeration. I don't exactly know if the WiiU or the PS3 had more games after 3 months, but the PS3 had more after a year than the WiiU has now. But the WiiU will get some games until the holidays, and if not it is the fault of Nintendo.

You don't comment on the post before? Commenting that would mean you can't longer keep the illusion I'm only a delusional Nintendo-fan, isn't it?

Because your last post is completely absurd. You compare Ps3 sales in May to Wii U's sales in December. If you compare Ps3 sales in December to Wii U's you get a better picture. Or better yet, take the 600k launch in EU and then reduce it by 50% instead of the 80% then increase sales again 3 weeks in a row instead of declining them.

But.. but I thought Wii U was doomed!!!1 Going to be the next DC, and all that.. How on earth could it have started better than the mighty PS3 and 360??

But seriously, people tend to have VERY short term memories and narrow minds when they judge things like this. All they see is Wii vs Wii U and naturally view Wii U as doomed, not realizing Wii was a sales phenomenon that was the exception, not the rule.

Why did PS3 and 360 start of with stagnant sales only to gain more momentum and eventually find themselves on pace for a solid 80 mill or more? The high price, and the lack of notable games; the SAME reason the Wii U is currently stagnant. It's easy to see why the Wii U currently isn't selling. Hell, I'm a diehard Nintendo fan of 20+ years, and I STILL don't think the Wii U is worth buying with its current price and library. But while RIGHT NOW isn't worth buying, that doesn't mean it won't be in 2 years. Once the onslaught of quality Nintendo software comes and the price becomes more reasonable, the sales will inevitably come. Call me an optimist, or Nintendo biased (most likely what you are thinking), but I still strongly believe the Wii U will bring in AT LEAST 75 million in sales, despite its slow start.

A) I meant this post, you ignore that constantly: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5219859

B) I can only compare data we have. Sure, we could play what if, but reality is a bitch. As I prefer the scientific approach I don't think abpout some fairytales, but instead look at facts. Fact is, sony probably had some manufacturing issues and launched later in europe. If they had designed the PS3 different they could have probably avoided these issues, but then we would have not the system we have now. So the data we have is influenced by the decisions Sony made, as the data we have about WiiU is influenced by the decisions of Nintendo. We have no way to change that. I could also play the what-if-game for WiiU, but that is something I want to avoid, it is delusional to make stuff up. I also can't pull data out of my ass, like second-quarter shipments for WiiU. We all will have to wait for that.

So I can only work with existing data. And that shows what it shows, I will not spin it with what-if-games. And look, even with holiday as support in the US and japan the PS3 sold worse.

Also you say a launch at the holidays would look better for PS3. Maybe. But maybe people also decided in these 3 extra-months they want a PS3 and that inflated the data. We don't know. So unless you can make contact to a alternate reality where that happened we should stop with this fairytale-stuff.

And is it really so hard to admit, that WiiU sold better initially. Yes this includes all the circumstances - like it always does. And it should be easy, as the WiiU now clearly sells below the PS3, even the PS3 without europe. As my graph shows.

So you're invited to talk about the abysmal sales of WiiU in my thread with the real data as a base:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=152379

I do it, I talk always about the bad sales of the WiiU. Without inventing numbers for a theoretical WiiU that launched with WiiSportsResortU (that would be one of the what-ifs for WiiU). But all that doesn't mean I ignore sales-data for the first weeks.

So is it so hard to look at the sales-data and to admit the WiiU initially sold better than the PS3? That's what the thread is about.

Well, 360 was supply constrained till April in US and PS3 didn't launch in it's best territory till March...