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naruball on 03 March 2013

 

Rafux said:

He probably means that is a spin-off without consequence to the MGS saga even if it is canon (and I accept is it) it doesn't replace or chance MGS in any form.

Its like the Metal Gear Acid games, different genre spin-off. Some people are judging MGR as if it were MGS5, we have Ground Zeroes and MGS5 to continue the main stealth franchise.

Yup, exactly. So people aren't buying Metal Gear Rising thinking it's another main series game like Metal Gear Solid. People are buying it because:


B) Platnium Games previous works have been excellent titles (Vanquish and Bayonetta)

I seriously don't get this argument. If PG were so well respected by gamers, whey were both Vanquish and Bayonetta commercial failures?

Sure, some internet people like them, but I think most people who buy God of War, buy the game for the franchise, not because of Santa Monica, hence the success of the first GOW game on psp.

Let's see what happend with their next game if it's not a big franchise (btw, not saying they aren't any good. In fact I've only heard great things about both games, but I don't think developers matter so much, hence the lackluster sales of Bulletstorm and the success of Halo Wars). Santa Monica has helped several studios make games and those games were commercial failures anyway. Sure, they're well respected on forums, but does that translate into sales at all?



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Wright on 03 March 2013
Michael-5 said:

Well no because Metal Gear Solid replaces and adds onto the original Metal Gear Games. If they continued making Metal Gear games, then MGS would be a different series, but they don't. Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started, and expands on it.

Metal Gear Solid is to Metal Gear, what Super Mario 3D Platformers are to Super Mario Bros. It's the same series.

You yourself are admitting this in the bold when you say Metal Gear Rising will be its own series (to me it already is it's own game).

As for your example on Resident Evil, Code Veronica is technically a main series game, but it's not a main entry. You can skip Resident Evil CV and not be missing out on any story from RE 0-6. The events in CV are an isolated event. I haven't played Revelations yet, but I think it's the same. This would be similar to RE: Dead Aim, except the characters in CV appear in other RE games.

So like Rising, CV is not a main Resident Evil game. When they eventually do release a MGS6, the events in MGR will have little weight to the story, if any.

 

I'm tired of explaining this already, so I'll try to be clear using your same arguments.

Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started and expands it? Well, Metal Gear Rising CONTINUES on what Metal Gear Solid did and expands it too.

Metal Gear Rising will be its own series, the same way Metal Gear Solid went and become a series of its own. The same way Metal Gear became two games.

When they eventually do a release of MGS5 (MGS5 I suposse, not MGS6 =P), they'll expand more the Metal Gear Solid saga, but mind you, it is a prequel featuring Big Boss. So no, the weight to the story of Metal Gear Solid will be little, as it will explain events that we already know. Yet Rising is build upon the closure of Metal Gear Solid 4 and carries on the Metal Gear saga story.



ktay95 on 03 March 2013

DMC sales are upsetting, the game deserves more. as with MGR, great studio+great franchise=fucking genius game. the loss of what is now platinum was possibly Capcoms biggest mistake, Inafune is a close second... WTF Capcom its like you dont want great devs



Spedfrom on 03 March 2013

For both games I only played the demo and I will say this: I found MGR dull after the initial excitement with the cutting feature, but rather enjoyed DmC after initially being put off.



Michael-5 on 03 March 2013
BasilZero said:
Michael-5 said:

Well no because Metal Gear Solid replaces and adds onto the original Metal Gear Games. If they continued making Metal Gear games, then MGS would be a different series, but they don't. Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started, and expands on it.

Metal Gear Solid is to Metal Gear, what Super Mario 3D Platformers are to Super Mario Bros. It's the same series.

You yourself are admitting this in the bold when you say Metal Gear Rising will be its own series (to me it already is it's own game).

As for your example on Resident Evil, Code Veronica is technically a main series game, but it's not a main entry. You can skip Resident Evil CV and not be missing out on any story from RE 0-6. The events in CV are an isolated event. I haven't played Revelations yet, but I think it's the same. This would be similar to RE: Dead Aim, except the characters in CV appear in other RE games.

So like Rising, CV is not a main Resident Evil game. When they eventually do release a MGS6, the events in MGR will have little weight to the story, if any.


Metal Gear Solid adds and replaces? Dude do you know the definition of a sequel? LOL - If they had continued to make Metal Gear without the "Solid" in the name it would be the same game we know - they just decided to go with the Solid moniker because the emphasis of the character itself or maybe its cause of the transition from 2D to full fledged 3D I dont know lol.

Anyways Metal Gear Solid is a sequel to Metal Gear and is a sub series to the Metal Gear Series - however it isnt its own standalone series. When I said that Rising will be its own series, I meant it as sub series and again it wont be a standalone series either - it doesnt take place on its own universe , it takes place 4 years after the events of Metal Gear Solid 4 as stated here: The game stars Raiden and it is set four years after the events of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Source: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Rising:_Revengeance

Also in relation to the first Solid game: It is the third canonical title released in the Metal Gear series, being a direct sequel to Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

Source: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid

Also you cant use Mario as an example especially 3D Mario - if anything the storylines do not interact with each other and if they did 2D Mario (non-NSMB - it is debatable but I'm not even gonna bother cause the Mario series isnt storyline influenced as the Zelda series which has been more broken in the last few years until recently) and 3D mario would be the same universe and separated from Mario RPG (all 3), Mario Party, Mario Sports, etc.

Anyways a better example would of been the FF series where FFVII having its own sub series and being a standalone with its prequels and sequels since it doesnt relate to the other games in the series or its spinoffs storyline wise (unless you are one of those people who conspire that FFX takes place in the same universe as FFVII but that is a different discussion altogether).

About RE its w/e I have yet to play the game - I'm just going by what is considered canon (which was my main point) and that is how majority of people play their games in exact order. The same thing with MGR, I wouldnt play it if you havent played any of the MG games cause again you probably wont know some of the things that happen in the game like for an example you wont know how the main character is like especially his current personality (cause he's different in MGS2) if you havent played MGS4.

My whole point is people just love to disregard what is canon because it plays differently lol. It plays differently because its given to another team - the vision is the same especially since Kojima Productions worked hand to hand with Platinum games.

Your last comment - for all we know it will be true because....any MGS game that they make now will be a prequel (unless someone who's played the series can clarify) more than likely and any more MGR sequels they make will be the true sequels to the MG universe. Ground Zeros is already considered as a prequel since it takes place after Peace Walker.

Not all of Metal Gear Solid acts as a sequel to Metal Gear. MGS3 and Peace Walker are prequels. Metal Gear Solid expands upon Metal Gear, it's the same series and the plots directly overlap.

I think "Solid" was added because of the drastic change in gameplay from 2D to 3D.

"Revengence" was added to emphasis a very style of gameplay and game. You can't look at MGR as a MGS game, that's what I'm saying, how can you argue that?

I don't care what you call it, a canon or a sidestory, it's not a main series MGS game. Do you consider Metal Gear Ac!d a main series Metal Gear game? No, and this isn't either. I know it affects the plot more then say Resident Evil CV, but it's still not a steath game like MGS is known for. This is Halo Wars to Halo, the plot is still relevant, but it's not a main series entry.

It doesn't matter if you played MGS2 or 4, you'll pick up the plot in rising just fine. It's all about slashing.



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Wright on 03 March 2013
Michael-5 said:

Not all of Metal Gear Solid acts as a sequel to Metal Gear. MGS3 and Peace Walker are prequels. Metal Gear Solid expands upon Metal Gear, it's the same series and the plots directly overlap.

I think "Solid" was added because of the drastic change in gameplay from 2D to 3D.

"Revengence" was added to emphasis a very style of gameplay and game. You can't look at MGR as a MGS game, that's what I'm saying, how can you argue that?

I don't care what you call it, a canon or a sidestory, it's not a main series MGS game. Do you consider Metal Gear Ac!d a main series Metal Gear game? No, and this isn't either. I know it affects the plot more then say Resident Evil CV, but it's still not a steath game like MGS is known for. This is Halo Wars to Halo, the plot is still relevant, but it's not a main series entry.

It doesn't matter if you played MGS2 or 4, you'll pick up the plot in rising just fine. It's all about slashing.


 You can't look at MGR as a MGS game...that's right! BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT SAGA WITH DIFFERENT GAMEPLAY BUILT UPON METAL GEAR SOLID SAGA.

"The plot is still relevant", because it continues the Metal Gear saga's story...

"It doesn't matter if you played MGS2 or 4". Have you played the game? Because I don't know how are you supossed to know what SOP or the Sears Program is without having played MGS2 or MGS4. Again, the Metal Gear Rising story is built upon Metal Gear Solid's. You don't seem to understand this. Metal Gear Rising is not all about slashing. There's stealing too. In fact, you can even do a non-lethal playtrough (The Final Boss speech changes if you do so, even!). There are references to Snake. To Otacon. To Sunny. To The Patriots. You should play the game first, before saying things you don't know.



Michael-5 on 03 March 2013
Wright said:
Michael-5 said:

Well no because Metal Gear Solid replaces and adds onto the original Metal Gear Games. If they continued making Metal Gear games, then MGS would be a different series, but they don't. Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started, and expands on it.

Metal Gear Solid is to Metal Gear, what Super Mario 3D Platformers are to Super Mario Bros. It's the same series.

You yourself are admitting this in the bold when you say Metal Gear Rising will be its own series (to me it already is it's own game).

As for your example on Resident Evil, Code Veronica is technically a main series game, but it's not a main entry. You can skip Resident Evil CV and not be missing out on any story from RE 0-6. The events in CV are an isolated event. I haven't played Revelations yet, but I think it's the same. This would be similar to RE: Dead Aim, except the characters in CV appear in other RE games.

So like Rising, CV is not a main Resident Evil game. When they eventually do release a MGS6, the events in MGR will have little weight to the story, if any.

 

I'm tired of explaining this already, so I'll try to be clear using your same arguments.

Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started and expands it? Well, Metal Gear Rising CONTINUES on what Metal Gear Solid did and expands it too.

Metal Gear Rising will be its own series, the same way Metal Gear Solid went and become a series of its own. The same way Metal Gear became two games.

When they eventually do a release of MGS5 (MGS5 I suposse, not MGS6 =P), they'll expand more the Metal Gear Solid saga, but mind you, it is a prequel featuring Big Boss. So no, the weight to the story of Metal Gear Solid will be little, as it will explain events that we already know. Yet Rising is build upon the closure of Metal Gear Solid 4 and carries on the Metal Gear saga story.

I'm tired of explaining this to you :P

When Metal Gear became Metal Gear Solid, they stopped selling Metal Gear Games and sold all the games in the series as Metal Gear Solid. After Metal Gear Rising releases, are you saying all Metal Gear Games will be called Metal Gear Rising? NO!

You yourself keep saying it will be it's own series.

If it's its own series....then how can it be a part of a different series?

Yes the plot in MGR affects the MGS plot, but not too heavily. It's the same as Halo Wars, yea it covers the plot in Halo, but there is no Master Cheif in the game, and you don't need to play this game to understand Halo.


LOL

You agree with me and you don't even realize it. MGR will build upon the closure of MGS where future Metal Gear Solids will continue to focus on Snake and the MGS arch. :P

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Okay here is an analogy you can understand. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island features Yoshi as a playable character right? However that's still a mario game right? So is Yoshi's Story for N64 and the upcoming Yoshi Yarn still a Mario game, or a Yoshi game? It's related to Mario yes, but it's not Mario it's it's own series.



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Rafux on 03 March 2013
Wright said:
Michael-5 said:

Well no because Metal Gear Solid replaces and adds onto the original Metal Gear Games. If they continued making Metal Gear games, then MGS would be a different series, but they don't. Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started, and expands on it.

Metal Gear Solid is to Metal Gear, what Super Mario 3D Platformers are to Super Mario Bros. It's the same series.

You yourself are admitting this in the bold when you say Metal Gear Rising will be its own series (to me it already is it's own game).

As for your example on Resident Evil, Code Veronica is technically a main series game, but it's not a main entry. You can skip Resident Evil CV and not be missing out on any story from RE 0-6. The events in CV are an isolated event. I haven't played Revelations yet, but I think it's the same. This would be similar to RE: Dead Aim, except the characters in CV appear in other RE games.

So like Rising, CV is not a main Resident Evil game. When they eventually do release a MGS6, the events in MGR will have little weight to the story, if any.

 

I'm tired of explaining this already, so I'll try to be clear using your same arguments.

Metal Gear Solid continues on what Metal Gear started and expands it? Well, Metal Gear Rising CONTINUES on what Metal Gear Solid did and expands it too.

Metal Gear Rising will be its own series, the same way Metal Gear Solid went and become a series of its own. The same way Metal Gear became two games.

When they eventually do a release of MGS5 (MGS5 I suposse, not MGS6 =P), they'll expand more the Metal Gear Solid saga, but mind you, it is a prequel featuring Big Boss. So no, the weight to the story of Metal Gear Solid will be little, as it will explain events that we already know. Yet Rising is build upon the closure of Metal Gear Solid 4 and carries on the Metal Gear saga story.

Its like Star Trek (2009), is canon because Nimoy/Original Spock is there but it branched out into its own thing. Yes it continues with some of what classic Trek started like the Kobayashi Maru test but it also breaks free from previous canon and let the developers make it its own thing they even change the genre too (classic Trek = Sci Fi, new Trek = Action movie with Sci-fi elements, MGS = Stealth, MGR = Hack and Slash). 



Wright on 03 March 2013
Michael-5 said:

I'm tired of explaining this to you :P

When Metal Gear became Metal Gear Solid, they stopped selling Metal Gear Games and sold all the games in the series as Metal Gear Solid. After Metal Gear Rising releases, are you saying all Metal Gear Games will be called Metal Gear Rising? NO!

You yourself keep saying it will be it's own series.

If it's its own series....then how can it be a part of a different series?

Yes the plot in MGR affects the MGS plot, but not too heavily. It's the same as Halo Wars, yea it covers the plot in Halo, but there is no Master Cheif in the game, and you don't need to play this game to understand Halo.


LOL

You agree with me and you don't even realize it. MGR will build upon the closure of MGS where future Metal Gear Solids will continue to focus on Snake and the MGS arch. :P

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Okay here is an analogy you can understand. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island features Yoshi as a playable character right? However that's still a mario game right? So is Yoshi's Story for N64 and the upcoming Yoshi Yarn still a Mario game, or a Yoshi game? It's related to Mario yes, but it's not Mario it's it's own series.


Damn, I already answered you in another post ;_; you should have replied me faster xD



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 March 2013
Rafux said:
A203D said:
Rafux said:

I'm not trying to change your opinion of the quality of the game I don't care if you like it or not thats subjective but you can't have opinion on sales facts and the fact is Capcom spend a lot of money on DmC, is a AAA game done by an outside studio, uses unreal engine instead of MT framework which would have been free, NT hired the same studio who did the Avatar mocap (from LA), it had a solid marketing effort and the whole point of the change was to gather more sales not less. Its a commercial flop, a commercial failure, it killed the franchise.

"Celebrating spending $60 on a brand new game and finishing it within 5 hours is not an achievement I care to share."

Then don't do it I'm not trying to sell you MGR, I don't care if it is 5 hours since they are 5 hours of fun for me (like Vanquish) and a lot of replay just for the fun of it. FF13 and GTA4 gave me 50 hours of boredom.

What gives you the right to tell me I can't have an opinion of sales?

Do you have a link showing me how much money was spent on DmC? We don't know how much money was spent, and how much money it cost to make in comparasion to DMC4, bearning in mind its probably cheaper to make a game like this now than it was in 2007.

Anyway I'm not interested in your opinions. If your not happy with DmC, I suggest you go back to playing DMC4 with Nero and Kyrie. And I can easily say that DMC4 killed the series thats why the DmC sales are weaker. But I don't know if thats true, although I do think Nero and Kyrie did badly damage the series.

Stay mad.

Those tears are delicious.

No offense but the battle system in DMC is more complex than Revengeance and the storyline actually has room for longevity. The level design is amazing for a hack n slash title pushing the limits of what they do and the amount of hours in expected dlc will only give far more. Its not equal by a long shot. Revengeance albeit a great hack n slash with a great cutting system lacks the depth and doesnt last. Very satisfying game for the time but I am more invested in DMC's storyline and I actually like my demon and angel evasion perks and parries rather than the broken parry system of Revengeance which has already been found. All you have to do is hold the left stick towards the enemy if you're doing a combo and they cant hit you. The break in the gameplay has already been found.