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Aerys said:

Vita has more first party games coming this year, for what we know, and they all seem to be very ambitious ( Soul Sacrifice, Tear Away, Killzone) and we know there is some games coming sony keep secret ( sony bend game ).

While the WiiU.. we know for sure that Pikmin 3 is coming this year ( well no really for sure, it could be postponed like so many games on 3DS the first year ) and that's all we saw... Nintendo said there will be a Mario Kart at the end of the year...That's all for the big games coming on Wii U, for what we know.

Boy, you sure don't know anything at all about the Wii U. Let me enlighten you, and then you may in turn enlighten me on the Vita's killer 2013 lineup.

Pikmin 3 has a "1st half" release window. It is not being delayed over six months into 2014, that's for sure. Other games scheduled for release within the next 4 months include:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Lego City Undercover

Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition
Game & Wario
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
The Wonderful 101
Wii Fit U

Certainly some of these may have been pushed back, but again, not by over six months. Other games scheduled for release later this year include:

Wii Party U
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Rayman Legends
Watch Dogs
Zelda Wind Waker HD

Then there are some 'leftovers.' It's been hinted, but not confirmed, that Bayonetta 2 will be released in 2013. Mario Kart and a new 3D Mario platformer will be playable at E3, so it's probable that at least one of them will be ready for release this year.

Bolded titles are exclusives. None of the games listed are shovelware or late ports, although some of those will be around as well. The list also does not include any of the numerous games being released digitally to the eShop.



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the_dengle said:
Aerys said:

Vita has more first party games coming this year, for what we know, and they all seem to be very ambitious ( Soul Sacrifice, Tear Away, Killzone) and we know there is some games coming sony keep secret ( sony bend game ).

While the WiiU.. we know for sure that Pikmin 3 is coming this year ( well no really for sure, it could be postponed like so many games on 3DS the first year ) and that's all we saw... Nintendo said there will be a Mario Kart at the end of the year...That's all for the big games coming on Wii U, for what we know.

Boy, you sure don't know anything at all about the Wii U. Let me enlighten you, and then you may in turn enlighten me on the Vita's killer 2013 lineup.

Pikmin 3 has a "1st half" release window. It is not being delayed over six months into 2014, that's for sure. Other games scheduled for release within the next 4 months include:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Lego City Undercover

Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition
Game & Wario
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
The Wonderful 101
Wii Fit U

Certainly some of these may have been pushed back, but again, not by over six months. Other games scheduled for release later this year include:

Wii Party U
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Rayman Legends
Watch Dogs
Zelda Wind Waker HD

Then there are some 'leftovers.' It's been hinted, but not confirmed, that Bayonetta 2 will be released in 2013. Mario Kart and a new 3D Mario platformer will be playable at E3, so it's probable that at least one of them will be ready for release this year.

Bolded titles are exclusives. None of the games listed are shovelware or late ports, although some of those will be around as well. The list also does not include any of the numerous games being released digitally to the eShop.

The " boy " has the Wii U and surely know better things about Wii U. You're very naive if you think Pikmin cant be  delayed, Luigi Mansion 2 was a Q1 2012 too titile at the beginning you know. SO, without a real date, we cant possibly know, its nintendo.

 

Oh, i didnt know  W101/Lego City Undercover were first party title... ( because thats what you were talking about, first party exclusive titles )

And i didnt know Wii Party U/Wario Ware/Wii Fit U ( seriously?... )  were big titles, in term of quality or sales (i love Wario Ware but this one coming is a joke, 16 mini games, really ?!  I hope its just an eshop game), Wii Fit U wont work , people wont buy  400$ hardware it when they have the wii version.

Its like i said Open Me on Vita or other crappy stuff.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Aerys said:

The " boy " has the Wii U and surely know better things about Wii U. You're very naive if you think Pikmin cant be  delayed, Luigi Mansion 2 was a Q1 2012 too titile at the beginning you know. SO, without a real date, we cant possibly know, its nintendo.

 

Oh, i didnt know  W101/Lego City Undercover were first party title... ( because thats what you were talking about, first party exclusive titles )

And i didnt know Wii Party U/Wario Ware/Wii Fit U ( seriously?... )  were big titles, in term of quality or sales (i love Wario Ware but this one coming is a joke, 16 mini games, really ?!  I hope its just an eshop game), Wii Fit U wont work , people wont buy  400$ hardware it when they have the wii version.

Its like i said Open Me on Vita or other crappy stuff.

If you know all about the Wii U, surely you can tell me why you said "we [don't] know for sure that Pikmin 3 is coming this year and that's all we saw" as though Pikmin was literally the only first-party game coming to Wii U this year.

W101 and Lego City are both published by Nintendo -- that's why they're exclusives -- so they could be considered first-party titles.

We can debate until the cows come home about what games will sell and which won't (Tearaway? Is that the best you've got?). Wii Fit has two previous installments, both of which have sold over 20 million units. Simply brushing it off with an "it won't work" ...well, won't work. Wii Party sold over 8 million.

Call me naive for doubting that Pikmin will be delayed; you're very cynical for practically assuming it will be, and by over 6 months. That's absurd.



Aerys said:
the_dengle said:
Aerys said:

Vita has more first party games coming this year, for what we know, and they all seem to be very ambitious ( Soul Sacrifice, Tear Away, Killzone) and we know there is some games coming sony keep secret ( sony bend game ).

While the WiiU.. we know for sure that Pikmin 3 is coming this year ( well no really for sure, it could be postponed like so many games on 3DS the first year ) and that's all we saw... Nintendo said there will be a Mario Kart at the end of the year...That's all for the big games coming on Wii U, for what we know.

Boy, you sure don't know anything at all about the Wii U. Let me enlighten you, and then you may in turn enlighten me on the Vita's killer 2013 lineup.

Pikmin 3 has a "1st half" release window. It is not being delayed over six months into 2014, that's for sure. Other games scheduled for release within the next 4 months include:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Lego City Undercover

Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition
Game & Wario
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
The Wonderful 101
Wii Fit U

Certainly some of these may have been pushed back, but again, not by over six months. Other games scheduled for release later this year include:

Wii Party U
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Rayman Legends
Watch Dogs
Zelda Wind Waker HD

Then there are some 'leftovers.' It's been hinted, but not confirmed, that Bayonetta 2 will be released in 2013. Mario Kart and a new 3D Mario platformer will be playable at E3, so it's probable that at least one of them will be ready for release this year.

Bolded titles are exclusives. None of the games listed are shovelware or late ports, although some of those will be around as well. The list also does not include any of the numerous games being released digitally to the eShop.

The " boy " has the Wii U and surely know better things about Wii U. You're very naive if you think Pikmin cant be  delayed, Luigi Mansion 2 was a Q1 2012 too titile at the beginning you know. SO, without a real date, we cant possibly know, its nintendo.

 

Oh, i didnt know  W101/Lego City Undercover were first party title... ( because thats what you were talking about, first party exclusive titles )

And i didnt know Wii Party U/Wario Ware/Wii Fit U ( seriously?... )  were big titles, in term of quality or sales (i love Wario Ware but this one coming is a joke, 16 mini games, really ?!  I hope its just an eshop game), Wii Fit U wont work , people wont buy  400$ hardware it when they have the wii version.

Its like i said Open Me on Vita or other crappy stuff.


There's a double-standard showing in your post where you said (underlined) that sony keeps some games secret, but then you act like there's nothing that Nintendo has for the Wii U kept a secret.  Nintendo does that ALL the time.  There's a good chance that there are a good handful of great 1st party titles releasing this year for the Wii U.  

Luigi's Mansion may have been delayed several times, but its release date was never quite so solid until they said "Holiday 2012" and then delayed it to March 24th.  Pikmin 3 from the start had a more solid release than Luigi's Mansion, and we know more about it than we did about Luigi's Mansion.  So it's pretty absurd to assume that Pikmin 3 isn't an assured release for this year.  

I mean, any game for the Vita that doesn't have a solid release date you can say the same then.  Any.  Because it is really not fair to try to single out Nintendo and specifically one title where it was delayed a lot, a game we seen almost no footage of too. 



"W101 and Lego City are both published by Nintendo -- that's why they're exclusives -- so they could be considered first-party titles."

Your definition of First party is very weird... And incorrect.
First party nintendo = Made by a first party dev owned by nintendo

I can say you why, because Pikmin 3 has no date, without release date, we cant be sure its coming, it could be delayed like Nintendo use to.

In quality term, yes, TearAway is an ambitious game. ( you were talking about first party games, right ? I think TearAway is one of these big first party for Sony, obviously not a system seller as a new IP)



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

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the_dengle said:
Aerys said:

Vita has more first party games coming this year, for what we know, and they all seem to be very ambitious ( Soul Sacrifice, Tear Away, Killzone) and we know there is some games coming sony keep secret ( sony bend game ).

While the WiiU.. we know for sure that Pikmin 3 is coming this year ( well no really for sure, it could be postponed like so many games on 3DS the first year ) and that's all we saw... Nintendo said there will be a Mario Kart at the end of the year...That's all for the big games coming on Wii U, for what we know.

Boy, you sure don't know anything at all about the Wii U. Let me enlighten you, and then you may in turn enlighten me on the Vita's killer 2013 lineup.

Pikmin 3 has a "1st half" release window. It is not being delayed over six months into 2014, that's for sure. Other games scheduled for release within the next 4 months include:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Lego City Undercover

Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition
Game & Wario
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
The Wonderful 101
Wii Fit U

Certainly some of these may have been pushed back, but again, not by over six months. Other games scheduled for release later this year include:

Wii Party U
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Rayman Legends
Watch Dogs
Zelda Wind Waker HD

Then there are some 'leftovers.' It's been hinted, but not confirmed, that Bayonetta 2 will be released in 2013. Mario Kart and a new 3D Mario platformer will be playable at E3, so it's probable that at least one of them will be ready for release this year.

Bolded titles are exclusives. None of the games listed are shovelware or late ports, although some of those will be around as well. The list also does not include any of the numerous games being released digitally to the eShop.

@ bolded/underlined

I'm guessing you are refering to NA, so doesn't Resident Evil: Revelations (released on 3DS Feb '12) count as a late port?  As for the rest of your list, let's take at look at it realistically.  And I'm not going to talk about 360/PS3 mulitplats, because let's be serious, they will sell much better on the 360/PS3.

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - This game has only sold 190K in Japan, where the MH franchise is by far the largest.  So, I doubt it is going to bring in a huge NA crowd that are willing to pay $350-$400 to get it.  It's also releasing on the 3DS, where it will most likely sell the most copies.

Lego City Undercover - This game does look fun, and appeals to younger children, but parents aren't going to put down $350-$400 to get it for their kids.  Especially not in March.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this game comes out by holiday season for the PS3 and 360, as well.

Game & Wario - The highest sellest home console version of a Wario game was WarioWare: Smooth Moves, at 840K.  His 2nd outing on the Wii saw a drop to 560K.  In comparison, Mario Galaxy sold 5.7M in NA, which released the same year as Smooth Moves.  So, it's safe to say Wario is not a system seller.

Wonderful 101 - This game does look interesting.  However, considering it's supposed to release in a month or so, and yet has no release date, I'm guessing it will soon be announced it has been delayed.  We'll have to wait and see.

Wii Fit U - Not sure why you would put your faith in an excercise game, since those appeal to casuals mainly.  Casuals who already have shown a lack of interest in the system.  They are also less likely to drop $350-$400 for an enhanced version of the Wii Fit game they already have.

Wii Party - This may have the ability to bring gamers in, though, it seems Wii Party did much better in EU than it did in NA.  Kinda doubt EU is going to change its mind about the Wii U anytime soon.

Wind Waker HD - Put simply, it takes more than remakes to push your system.

 

The biggest point is that the Wii U has already had an installment in Nintendo's best selling franchise, Mario.  A "2D" Mario at that, which have ALWAYS sold more than 3D Marios.  While games will help, when the interest in your actual HW is this low, a price cut is really the only thing that will help in the long run.



"Lego City Undercover - This game does look fun, and appeals to younger children, but parents aren't going to put down $350-$400 to get it for their kids. Especially not in March. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this game comes out by holiday season for the PS3 and 360, as well."

Indeed, we never saw a 3D lego game exclusive, so i assume you're right.

I dont believe in Wii U exclusive since RER and Rayman and NG RE...



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

^ You guys are completely missing the point of everything. We are talking about entirely different things on multiple levels. This started as a comparison between Wii U and Vita support in 2013 -- so if you want to be serious about comparing them, stop splitting hairs over irrelevant things like perceived quality of unreleased titles and get to telling me about all the games coming to Vita this year that are going to leave it in a much better situation than the Wii U.

But it's becoming pretty clear that this isn't the discussion you want to have. You just want to be pointlessly cynical towards the Wii U -- demanding release dates for Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 because you don't trust them to be released this year, yet believing Lego City will find its way to other consoles this year despite no evidence whatsoever to support that theory, for instance. You're so blinded by cynicism I can't see us getting anywhere with this discussion.

Obviously every single Wii U game scheduled for release in 2013 is going to be either pushed back to 2014 or released on PS360 before the year is out -- or both! -- so certainly the Wii U will have not one single significant release for the rest of the year, of course not.



Aerys forgot that DQX will release on Wii U and that the chances for Pikmin 3 getting delayed by 6 months+ is ridiculous. Luigi's Mansion was delayed once, Pikmin has already been delayed to quarter 2.



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thismeintiel said:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - This game has only sold 190K in Japan, where the MH franchise is by far the largest.  So, I doubt it is going to bring in a huge NA crowd that are willing to pay $350-$400 to get it.  It's also releasing on the 3DS, where it will most likely sell the most copies.

Lego City Undercover - This game does look fun, and appeals to younger children, but parents aren't going to put down $350-$400 to get it for their kids.  Especially not in March.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this game comes out by holiday season for the PS3 and 360, as well.

Game & Wario - The highest sellest home console version of a Wario game was WarioWare: Smooth Moves, at 840K.  His 2nd outing on the Wii saw a drop to 560K.  In comparison, Mario Galaxy sold 5.7M in NA, which released the same year as Smooth Moves.  So, it's safe to say Wario is not a system seller.

Wonderful 101 - This game does look interesting.  However, considering it's supposed to release in a month or so, and yet has no release date, I'm guessing it will soon be announced it has been delayed.  We'll have to wait and see.

Wii Fit U - Not sure why you would put your faith in an excercise game, since those appeal to casuals mainly.  Casuals who already have shown a lack of interest in the system.  They are also less likely to drop $350-$400 for an enhanced version of the Wii Fit game they already have.

Wii Party - This may have the ability to bring gamers in, though, it seems Wii Party did much better in EU than it did in NA.  Kinda doubt EU is going to change its mind about the Wii U anytime soon.

Wind Waker HD - Put simply, it takes more than remakes to push your system.

 

The biggest point is that the Wii U has already had an installment in Nintendo's best selling franchise, Mario.  A "2D" Mario at that, which have ALWAYS sold more than 3D Marios.  While games will help, when the interest in your actual HW is this low, a price cut is really the only thing that will help in the long run.

If you really want to go here, I will oblige.

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - yes, you're absolutely right, the game has sold 190k in Japan in under three months, significantly more than all but the top two Vita games have sold in over a year. By the way, Tri sold over 900k in America and Europe on Wii.

Your Lego City comments are silly. I'm skipping that.

Game & Wario - again, it's all good and fine to say this isn't a system seller, but show me the Vita game that is a better system seller. Every game doesn't sell systems. Some just maintain interest in the console.

Wonderful 101 is not "supposed to release in a month or so." In the Nintendo Direct held in late January, it (along with Game & Wario, Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, and Lego City Undercover) was slated for a "spring-to-summer" release window. The first of these games coming out is Lego City at the end of March.

Wii Fit U - ye of little faith. I can't believe the number of times I have to point to this series' history as a two-for-two 20 million seller. Surely that is worth the benefit of the doubt? Is there any franchise on its way to Vita which has sold over 20 million even once, never mind twice?

Wii Party U - excellent show of cynicism, you see a game which has traditionally sold well in a certain market, but rather than helping the console in that market, the console will doom the game. And a Monster Hunter game on Vita would sell terribly in Japan, because Japan isn't going to change its mind about the Vita, right?

Wind Waker HD - Vita should be so lucky to have a remake like this. The last Zelda remake was Ocarina for 3DS, which is on the verge of 3 million sales. No Killzone game has ever reached 3 million. Now tell me, which is the better system seller, a new Killzone game that probably won't reach 1 million or a Zelda remake that will probably break 2 million?

Yeah, 2D Mario sells pretty nice. Notice Wii U sold pretty well in the month following its release. Wii U only stopped selling when games stopped being released altogether -- it's not apathy towards the hardware, it's a lack of any kind of software at all. So what happens when software is brought back into the mix? Not just any software, but 3D Mario and/or Mario Kart? Sony would kill to have games that could sell that well on Vita, but for some reason they are dismissable on Wii U?

Get outta here, you guys know Wii U will be ahead of Vita's LTD hardware AND software before the end of the year.