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Do you still trust MS enough to get their Next Console?

Yes 265 34.06%
 
No 512 65.81%
 
Total:777

edit: I have no desire to annoy amp.

 

Enjoy your flame war, I shall take my cereal talk elsewhere.



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freedquaker said:
We need to hand it to MS since they did many things right.

- They launched the console in time, good timing to steal enough market share to push it over. If 360 had not been shipped a year earlier, it would never stand a chance against PS3. MS already lost Europe and Japan, and the primary support came from US Gamers, who were directly addressed by an American Company, rather than a distant Japanese one, who acted too little too late, and whose priority audience were just not Americans

- They were affordable at different price points unlike the Cocky Sony, who demanded a second job!

- Their development tools were much better, and the system was way more approachable.

- They had deep pockets for huge amounts of marketing.

- They were pretty successful at convincing game developers for the credibility and reliability of the platform.

etc...


But I do hate Microsoft on so many accounts, that's true! I have supported Xbox efforts because I had detested the new PS3 (up until the release of the redesigned slim model) but now that the playing field is leveled up, lets come to our regular senses.

Microsoft is a soulless M3 (Money Making Machine). They do not respect anyone, they do not love or hate anyone, and they only care about your money. That's normal but they also have no style, no character, no principle, no "nothing"....

They are in the
-console business
-tablet platform
-smartphone platform
etc..

all because they are trying to sustain their "desktop / business hegemony", that's all. If there were no playstation, there would be no xbox! No iphone and android would mean no windows Phone! (please don't tell me about the half baked windows mobile! They were never serious about those endeavors!)

I abstain from using MS products, save Windows XP and Office XP because

The minute they release a new product, they retain zero loyalty to their all customers! I am still using Windows XP, and I get practically zero support from any MS Products (Direct X, Sky Drive, Int. Explorer etc are all gone) while almost everybody else still fully supports it. When their arch rivals support their legacy platform but they don't, they get to understand that there is something f...ed about those bast.rds....

I strongly urge you to avoid all MS products at any cost. I never bought one single MS Product in my life, except for those that came BUNDLED with the system (Windows XP and Office XP and prior). Hewlet Packard is another as$hole, which is a different story, but the vast majority of about "How slow those netbooks / laptops are" actually are nothing but a product of MS and firms like HP.

My friend's netbook was unbearably slow and laggy, for example. It had 3 main problems:
a) It had Windows 7 starter, possibly the worst OS for a netbook today
b) It had tons of HP and MS bloatware
c) It was swarming with useless junk and malware

after a good 8 hours of cleaning all this, it was much faster, at least bearably so, not bad for a windows system. Then I went ahead and installed Puppy Linux as a dual boot, and oh my goodness! My friends couldn't thank me enough and didn't believe HOW NINJA FAST the computer became! I told him that it was the FUC.ING WINDOWS that kept the system in its knees, due to its bloat and all those extra processes that have to run for security etc.

In a sentence, try to beware MS as much as you can.

1st Bold: Ok, I kinda understand why many might find that statement to be a tad off putting but is it seriously that offensive? I find the seriousness of that statement to be way overblown. The PS3 was well worth what they charged, knowing that it was worth almost $1000.  

2nd Bold: I have a recent issue with what you described. I loved WinXP, it worked like a dream. What I don't like is how every 2years MS tries to shovel another OS down your throat by sabotaging the old one's progression. Especially when the new ones so far are not much better than XP. I just got a new laptop, so for the first time I am using Windows 8......i F&%$# can't stand it. How the hell do I close Apps? I've searched it on the internet and apparently...YOU CAN'T! You have to let them close on their own or something, having them sucking up valuable RAM. It also gives you almost no control to what you put on your own computer. I had to go thru a lot of setting and configs to get it to stop deleting a legitimate download without my permission. Not to mention the constant ads via Apps I would never choose for myself plastering all over my Main Page, UHG! 

With the rumors of Nextbox utilizing Win8, I think I DEFINITELY don't want it.



      

      

      

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scottie said:
kain_kusanagi said:

Has anyone else tried Reese's Puffs cereal? It's like candy. I don't even poor milk on it, I just eat them as a snack dry. I'm not kidding it's freaking candy.

Anyone else have a good cereal suggestion?


I do, but you probably won't like it. I only hope that we can agree to disagree about the best cereal.

 

I recently found some delicious muesli with only 6% sugar! This is amazing news to me - most of them are up in the high teens or low 20s, making them about as healthy as your candy cereal. All the other low sugar ones I've found taste like cardboard.

 

Anyway, get this muesli (it's a woolworth brand, natura I think), and if you can be bothered, add some chooped up apple or some berries, serve with natural yogurt instead of milk.

 

Shit keeps you fed for so long.


There was already a MOD warning about the Cereal talk in this thread dude.



      

      

      

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I'm not worried about RRoD. MS lost millions trying to do damage control and repaired a ton of consoles for free. Up to three times on my end. They did the right thing by expanding the warranty so no real hard feelings there. Besides, you honestly believe the same mistake will happen again? That's a bit naive  to be honest.

XBLA and Indie games has been great for me, tons of great games that wouldn't even be looked at on retail. So much good stuff. Plus it helps that I've actually enjoyed kinect games. A game like Haunt is just plenty of fun due to the physical interaction for me. I just enjoy the action of using my entire body. Don't want it as a standard or anything either, but I'm glad it exists. Really when it comes to games, I only buy 2-3 new games a year. Otherwise it's all budget gaming for me. Don't care about the lack of retail exclusives because there's no way I'd be able to buy them all or even have the time to play them all.


Overall, I'm gonna wait and see. MS still have my favorite franchise, Halo, and I don't play multiplayer nearly enough to consider that a major feature on my end. No way am I gonna just base hundreds of dollars out of some admiration toward a company. If Sony comes up with something that really interests me, I might go that way, but they really haven't enticed me this gen to buy a PS3. No big deal, different strokes for different folks. I also don't care about exclusivity all that much. Once I buy a console, it's a one and done deal. So it essentially becomes a exclusive to me either way. Besides, there are still tons of game

 

Besides, I still have a ridiculous amount of backlog that I need to work on. Still loads of games I've yet to buy too. I'm probably just gonna wait an entire year and not care about nexgen stuff. Hell, there's still probably gonna be 360 stuff getting released. 2013 is gonna be one of my best catch up years.



forevercloud3000 said:
Dmick90 said:

Show me these so called studies...

No the Japanese despise the Xbox because it's American, and American products are not allowed to succeed on Nintendo and Sony's home turf. They still have a chip on their shoulders for bombing the sh.. out of them. Europe hates us too, that's why the PS3 and Wii do better there.


http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/-poll-ps3-controller-or-xbox-3/787445?page=14

almost 900 ppl voted, 51% for PS3 controller

 

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/11/22/analysis-ps3-vs-xbox-360-controller-comparison/

I can't find it, but there was a poll in like Famitsu or something about it and they prefered PS3 design much more. 

 

While I don't completely dispute their might be some domestic byass towards PS3 in japan, the same can be said about 360 and it's design.  Being an american based product doesn't seem to be hurting Apple products in Japan tho. The truth of the matter is the Japanese frequently see american base products and subpar as far as design and tech goes....because they usually are. Even americans know when you buy an american based product, expect  some problems. Take cars, almost every foreign made brand far out performs them. I personally see what they mean. I tend to stay away from things made by american companies for the same reason(not all things, just some).

Funny that poll was taken over 3 years ago, and people's opinions may have changed since then. And that poll probably oversampled PS3 fanboys.

"I can't find it, but there was a poll in like Famitsu or something about it and they prefered PS3 design much more." Uh huh sure...

All machines with mechanical parts are bound to fail at some point. Some American cars are really, really good, and some are not. Japanese cars have their fair share of bad eggs too. I drive a 2000 Mitsubishi Galant which is Japanese and I love it, but I love many American cars too. The Xbox is not a subpar product it's just the Japanese have different tastes in games than we do. Nintendo and Sony appeal more to their tastes. The Xbox 360 hardware was actually designed by a Japanese group from Osaka!!! So if you're going to blame someone for a subpar product blame the Japanese.

 



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Dmick90 said:

Funny that poll was taken over 3 years ago, and people's opinions may have changed since then. And that poll probably oversampled PS3 fanboys.

"I can't find it, but there was a poll in like Famitsu or something about it and they prefered PS3 design much more." Uh huh sure...

All machines with mechanical parts are bound to fail at some point. Some American cars are really, really good, and some are not. Japanese cars have their fair share of bad eggs too. I drive a 2000 Mitsubishi Galant which is Japanese and I love it, but I love many American cars too. The Xbox is not a subpar product it's just the Japanese have different tastes in games than we do. Nintendo and Sony appeal more to their tastes. The Xbox 360 hardware was actually designed by a Japanese group from Osaka!!! So if you're going to blame someone for a subpar product blame the Japanese.

 

You could just dismiss any Poll Sampling as just bing bias so that doesn't progress this conversation much. I like PS3 controller better, you like 360's. That right there is a sample size of two which is 50/50 meaning not everyone agrees on that matter so lets just leave it at that.

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Majority of users on GameTrailers are Sony fans, so useless poll is useless.



forevercloud3000 said:

Microsoft did a great job lulling many a gamer in with what they originally offered. Yet, for the last 7 Years I have watched them pull one slick stunt after the next, and generally harm the sanctity of the industry multiple times over.

 

  • When the Original Xbox came out, I was interested. Games like Fable and Jade Empire almost had me. Yet I already had a PS2, wth FF and a hefty load of games that were exclusive to it. I decided I would wait to get the Xbox after it became much cheaper. When the New consoles were finally released I though this was my chance to snag one for a bargain......then it happened. MS officially cut off Xbox shortly after 360's release, this was in complete contrast to how the PS2 still thrived for several years, just like the PS1 did. The way it was immediately discontinued, most ofthe games were field destroyed, just erased....didn't sit well at all with me. I still feel like this is a mantra MS might still hold. More on that later....
  • RROD. MS ignored the many warnings they got from their tech experts to delay the 360's launch so they could figure out a more viable heat syncing solution. MS big wigs could have cared less, because beating Sony to the punch was truly all that mattered. A electronic device with over 40% failure rate that wasn't immediately pulled from market is unheard of. MS's solution to this was to give you a 3 yr warrenty(from LAUNCH and not buy date) where they would fix your console......just so it would break again a month later. In MS's defense, many bring up the PS2's higher than normal failure rate....yet that was small time in comparison really. It was only a rate of like 8%. While working at Gamestop, I watched people buy console after console simply because they kept breaking. When the main reason you chose one console over the next was due to it's low price yet the cost of replacing it comes out to way more.............priceless.
  • Timed Exclusivity: A ridiculous  trade off from real exclusivity if you ask me. I always felt full exclusive games encouraged the best kind of  competition. Mario's success would spur Crash, GT would ignite PGR/Forza, etc, etc. The fact that there are less exclusives these days means there is less reason to buy any particular console(which is what MS wanted) but it also means developers don't have to try nearly as hard to court a fanbase.....and most often, Multiplats feel like a poor man's exclusive Version.
  • Total Abandonment of the Hardcore Gamer in the last 3 years. MS has shown time and time again, that their fanbase is just a name and number. They are only as valuable as how much money they are bringing them. Now this isn't news to us about any business. Sony and Nintendo also want your hard earned dollar. Yet MS completely abandoned the groups that gave them their early success as they no longer needed to appeal to them, they already had you (like some douche college stud who sleeps around for the conquest and nothing more). Once they felt they had the "Hardcore Vote" already, the Hardcore centric games became scarce, and the new Casual push began. This is what 360 fans put up with out of complacency for the last 3 years. MS felt as long as they give their fans 2 key franchises a year(an alternation between Forza,Gears, Halo) that their fanbase would stay TAMED.
  • Charging for what everyone else give for free. We already pay a premium for the internet, why are you paying for a glorified "Membership" that gives you what you rightfully should of had for free? News Flash people, there is very little XboxLive does that PS3 doesn't, contrary to popular beleif. The only true feature of note is XGC.....an overhyped feature from those who are trying to justify that annual fee. Well come PS4 time, you will no longer have that excuse. Vita already has XGC, PS4 will allow it across multiple devices. PS+ is already garnering  far more appeal of late, with its constant sales, free game givaways, auto updates, exclusive betas/demos......on the regular! PS+ isn't required to get basic funtion out of your device, yet people are flocking to it for its REAL value it offers up to you.
  • Cheap scating to APPEAR cheaper. This baffled me when this gen started. Sure, the PS3 was 600 big ones, but in actuality the 360 was just around, if not more. Think about it. Original 360's were coming with no HDMI port, needed batteries for controllers(expensive rechargeable pack sold seperately), no Wifi Built in (When even the damn Wii did), and of course required a Live Sub to play online. Oh but it came with a headset tho....... The system was built around you buying what appears to be a real bargain in comparison to the competition, then get you on the 50million peripherals that will at some point become a necessity.
Someone Please explain to me, after knowing all this, how could MS's efforts be more appealing than Sony or Nintendo's at this point?

 

Disclaimer: As you all already know, Yes I am a big Sony fan. I don't think this invalidates me from asking a reasonable question though. you should understand that this is obviously a person looking over from one side of the fence and the impression I get from what I see. The whole reason of asking this is that maybe there is a quirk or facet to them that I am not seeing and would like to understand where it derives from.


great post



brendude said:

Pfft, Reese's Puffs fanboy...

...It's all about the Honey Nut Cheerios.

Thank you! Finally someone with real taste in cereal!



Nsanity said:
Majority of users on GameTrailers are Sony fans, so useless poll is useless.


ROFLMAO what?! Gametrailers is one of the most non-Sony biased places around. Almost every one of their reviews and comentary have nothing but nitpicky arguments against Sony and Playstation.



      

      

      

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