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Raze said:

I'd be confused, because I went to a Catholic elementary school, and we were taught about evolution in science, and creationism from religion class, and there was never a conflict.

The issue with "creationists" is that they can't read. =D In Genesis, it says that God created man, etc. It never states in the Adam and Eve story that they were the FIRST people on earth. On the 6th day God created man, 7th he rested. The story of Adam and eve comes later after this information. It is known through most educated Christian circles that there was a whole world of creatures and people before Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were kind of Go'd lab experiment to see what would happen.

My point is - an educated Christian believes in evolution as well, and it doesn't interfere with their faith. The two co-exist very well. Notice that most of the crazy bible thumpers come from areas with subpar or downright poor educational quality. So really, if evolution is your reasoning for Atheism, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Of course if Pokemon was accurate anyhow, the time it would take one of the creatures to evolve, Ash would have been nothing more than bones in a grave by the time it evolved. =D

It's not that "creationists" can't read, but more that those who argue the position aren't familiar with the points.

The main points are that the 7 days of creation are litteral days "yom", and that death only entered the world upon the original sin. Before that there was no death. One is syntactical, the other doctrinal.



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Raze said:
Otakumegane said:
Raze said:
It's hard to discern true atheists from the "phase" atheists. I've known so many people who claimed to be atheist, but at the birth of their first child, found God. This has lead me to only count the truth atheist base as those who remain atheist after becoming a parent, or those who never have children, as their viewpoints will stay the same.

Teenagers and people in their 20s being atheist is as trendy as people the same age smoking weed. It tend to be used more as a "rebel and resist" mindset than a base for stance on faith and the supernatural amongst this age range.


What if I was an atheist since elementary school after learning abour genesis and comparing it to pokemon.


I'd be confused, because I went to a Catholic elementary school, and we were taught about evolution in science, and creationism from religion class, and there was never a conflict.

The issue with "creationists" is that they can't read. =D In Genesis, it says that God created man, etc. It never states in the Adam and Eve story that they were the FIRST people on earth. On the 6th day God created man, 7th he rested. The story of Adam and eve comes later after this information. It is known through most educated Christian circles that there was a whole world of creatures and people before Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were kind of God's lab experiment to see what would happen.

My point is - an educated Christian believes in evolution as well, and it doesn't interfere with their faith. The two co-exist very well. Notice that most of the crazy bible thumpers come from areas with subpar or downright poor educational quality. So really, if evolution is your reasoning for Atheism, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Of course if Pokemon was accurate anyhow, the time it would take one of the creatures to evolve, Ash would have been nothing more than bones in a grave by the time it evolved. =D

Yeah I'm not quite sure why I became an Atheist but I know I was one since elementary school. 1 day I just decided I didn't want to go to church.



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dsgrue3 said:

Yeah Adam and Eve being created from nothing and populating the Earth is totally in line with evolution...

I'm not going to try and argue with you about anything in this aspect.

Have a good day.



DanneSandin said:
Trunkin said:
DanneSandin said:
Trunkin said:
DanneSandin said:
I don't think we'll see the extinction of Christianity very soon - if ever. They'll survive as some odd cult at the very least. But if we're looking at what Christianity has become, none is true Christians any more. I mean, how many people are stoning gays? Or selling their daughters as slaves? Not a whole lot of them. So I'd call todays Christians for... Post-modern Christians; they have adopted a much more modern way of looking at things, or THEY would be the ones getting stoned...

But I'm glad to live in a world where more and more people are becoming Atheists - in no way can that be a bad sign of things to come. I just wish we'd see more of this also happening in the Middle East...


You're joking, right?

If you're referring to the bolded part; no, I'm not. I wouldn't call Christians of today for "real, hardcore" Christians. They've cherry picked what they want to believe from the Bible - but that goes for almost ALL religion; they've chosen by large what they want to adhere to, and what to ignore. The Bible clearly states that you have the right to sell your daughter as a slave, and not even the most fundamental Creationist would do that (I hope).

Religion these days are all about cherry picking the good parts - as well as they should; there are some pretty horrible things in most religious texts.

I find it flabbergasting that you can say that "true" Christians would be all for stoning gays and "selling their daughters" when Christ, the founder of the faith and a man the Bible says was perfect, was openly opposed such actions, preventing the stoning of an adulterous woman, and teaching to do unto others as you'd have them to unto you, which pretty much rules out slavery. The way I see it, discarding the barbaric ways of the Old Testament isn't a matter of "cherry picking", It's a matter of following the teachings of Jesus above those in the Old Testament, which Christ was supposed to have abolished through his death on the cross. There's nothing "modern" about it. 

Yes, ok, I'll give you that you probably can discard the whole of the Old Testament if you're following the preaching of Jesus. But that would mean you more or less would have to discard everything in it, no? Like how god created the world in 7 days, and the story about Adam and Eve... But that's not what's happening, since people still believe this is what happened. And then we have the homophobic right winged movement in the US that opposes abortion and gay marriages because it says so in the bible. What they are doing is disregarding the word of Jesus and is, in fact, cherry picking...

And then we have the fact that the New Testament have been heavily revised through out history, so what we have today is nothing like what Jesus was preaching... Cherry picking.

Ah, by "Old Testament" I was mostly referring to the the law of Moses. Too much of the NT would be rendered meaningless if you discarded the OT in it's entirety. That, I believe, is why Christians today still say that homosexuality, adultery, sex outside of marriage, lying, etc. are still wrong. The OT still has to be used as a guideline of sorts, but Christians toss out the parts that Jesus stood against. The story of the adulterous woman is a good example in this case, as he told her to "go and sin no more." He wasn't saying that adultery was okay, only that he would not condemn her for it. Although I do agree that it isn't "Christlike" to treat gays the way many Christians today do.

Now, I'm unfamiliar with any drastic changes made to the NT texts over the years, but, even if you're right, the commonly used King James Bible was written over 400 years ago, so my statement still stands: These teachings didn't just come around recently. Hence, not cherry picking.

Sort of OT: I don't know of any verses in the Bible that say that abortion is wrong. I am personally opposed to it, but more because of my own feelings on the matter than religion.



NintendoPie said:
dsgrue3 said:

Yeah Adam and Eve being created from nothing and populating the Earth is totally in line with evolution...

I'm not going to try and argue with you about anything in this aspect.

Have a good day.

Lol, you say you don't recall Genesis being incompatible with evolution and then get upset and storm off when I show you how it is? Right.



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Christianity is the worlds largest religion....so no it aint going away within our lifetimes.

But it sounds (unintentionally) that your talking about a reverse-crusades, where you said "That there will not be any churches left to attend, and nobody to share their faith with". Thats only gonna happen if we are forced to not practice our faith and churches are burnt to the ground.

Why is Christianity the only whipping boy among all world religions? seriously



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badgenome said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i reefer to the creator. nothing more. how could you go wrong with that!

So you're Rasta, then?

truth. don't believe in religion, but something created all of this. whether it be spirits, gods, or bang. it happened some how.



sales2099 said:
Christianity is the worlds largest religion....so no it aint going away within our lifetimes.

But it sounds (unintentionally) that your talking about a reverse-crusades, where you said "That there will not be any churches left to attend, and nobody to share their faith with". Thats only gonna happen if we are forced to not practice our faith and churches are burnt to the ground.

Why is Christianity the only whipping boy among all world religions? seriously

Coincidence? Nope.

The christian doctrine is diametrically opposed to most post-modern thoughts. It's "your" life, do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone.

That's in strong contrast with "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." If the Lord asks the believer to practice heterosexuality and abstain from sexual immorality, you can be certain that Christianity will be today's whipping boy. Islam despite its also more traditional roots has it easier because it isn't as integrated into the culture of western society. So, being more foreign, needs less "weeding out" so to speak.



happydolphin said:
sales2099 said:
Christianity is the worlds largest religion....so no it aint going away within our lifetimes.

But it sounds (unintentionally) that your talking about a reverse-crusades, where you said "That there will not be any churches left to attend, and nobody to share their faith with". Thats only gonna happen if we are forced to not practice our faith and churches are burnt to the ground.

Why is Christianity the only whipping boy among all world religions? seriously

Coincidence? Nope.

The christian doctrine is diametrically opposed to most post-modern thoughts. It's "your" life, do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone.

That's in strong contrast with "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." If the Lord asks the believer to practice heterosexuality and abstain from sexual immorality, you can be certain that Christianity will be today's whipping boy. Islam despite its also more traditional roots has it easier because it isn't as integrated into the culture of western society. So, being more foreign, needs less "weeding out" so to speak.

Funny since in Islam dominated countries, there is no "whipping". You make this thread over there, your IP will be tracked and you will be jailed for speaking against the religion.

Tis the price of Christianity allowing free will as opposed to forcing upon people with fear as a motivator. Double edged sword.



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Otakumegane said:

Yeah I'm not quite sure why I became an Atheist but I know I was one since elementary school. 1 day I just decided I didn't want to go to church.


I don't follow the church either, I find church is everywhere and anywhere. I was always told God is everywhere, and always ready to listen, so I talk to Him whenever, wherever. I believe that humankind is too flawed to tell me what God wants, so I get direction directly from the source. We get so caught up in all the dogma, the rituals, obligations, etc. Is a person really strong in faith because they attend church every week and go through the motions , while checking the time until they can get out? Imagine having a friend come visit you, and the whole time, he's just killing time until he can leave. Not really a fun visit, is it?

When you can find faith by wanting to have faith, not because your parents tell you "that's the way it is", then there's reward in it. I've ong left the Catholic faith in practice, but fall in that category of "non-descript Christian".  God gave us free will to make our choices in life, and thus I never tell anyone to believe anything they don't feel inclined to. People need to come to their decisions on the matter on their own. Anyone who forces you too is just holding you back from that journey. After all, no one likes being told what to do. =)



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