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Yakuzaice on 04 February 2013
kowenicki said:
pezus said:
Damn, I just checked the front page and there was nothing there! Damn your tricks! WiiU catching up with Vita and Vita above Wii :O


You missed that DS will be above Vita soon.  Thats just embarrassing.

The DS is being overtracked significantly in Europe.  Nintendo's data showed its best week was less than 17k during Christmas last year (dropping to ~7.1k in week 52), and they only shipped 30k units outside of North America for the quarter.  It has also sold more than it shipped at the end of last quarter per VGC.



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sales2099 on 04 February 2013
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
NYANKS said:
Everyone will remember that PS3 passed 360, it will be looked at historically as a good comeback, Also, the PS3 will pass in one less year, meaning that PS3 exceeded 360. It wasn't an even race all the way through.

Your totally right, 360 didnt have PS brand behind it, mainland europe and Japan working in their favor, not to mention Live Gold prices, RROD, and a lack of retail AAA exclusives. Your so right that 360 was at a disadvantage, its amazing how long its holding out :P

You just contradicted your entire argument a few pages ago. 

and FYI, Xbox 360 wasn't at a disadvantage, it had many things going in its favor including much earlier release, cheper price and arguably better launch line-up including all the big multiplatform games as PS3.

Think the stuff I said gave PS3 a better edge then the stuff your saying. But w/e. Because Wii launched later and was cheaper too and PS3 had most of 360s multiplats early on. Hardly game changers.

 

Sorry to disagree, please dont report me lol



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

luisvideogames on 04 February 2013

So how about them Wii U sales, not too worried though. Obviously, it's out of stock and very rare to find, just like the Wii was. Yup, seems like Wii U is Nintendo's next 100 million selling device by current standards! Hope Nintendo creates more consoles quickly, there are obviously lots of people really wanting to buy the Wii U, including me. (in denial)




Birimbau on 04 February 2013
Wagram said:
Wii U and Vita sales are atrocious.

Why would casuals want Vita? All of them are hypnotized by Xperia Z(it is the most popular on GSMArena right now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWysHOjl95E



Mnementh on 04 February 2013
pokoko said:
The Wii U and Vita are desperately awaiting games. I want to gather both of them close and protect them.

Why do I have mothering instincts?

Vita got games in Japan and it helped a bit.



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benji232 on 04 February 2013
Gamerace said:
JGarret said:
Gamerace said:
JGarret said:
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Surreal.

I never expected the Wii U to perform as well as the Wii, but not bad like that, man, not like that...and can you imagine if NSMBU wasn´t available?

I don't think anybody on the chartz predicted this, or at least I didn't see anyone predict it. You'd probably be labelled a hater if you did!

True.

That´s one of the reasons a new generation is exciting..it´s a completely new game, being the 'winner' in a previous generation means very little or nothing if you don´t play your cards right.

Well, I did predict WiiU would only do 30m lifetime and be replaced by 2016 prior to launch. 

However, looking at these post-holiday numbers makes me wonder if I wasn't too generous in that prediction.  Not even the Nintendo-core are buying WiiU.  Not yet anyway.   Desperately needs games.

30 million?...that´s worse than the N64...personally, I see it somewhere between the N64 and the NES, leaning much more towards the former.


I gave a lot of reasons for that.  Basically the gamepad adds too much cost for an otherwise (soon-to-be) out of date system without any of the benefits that the Wiimote or DS's second screen added.    It's seen as neither innovative nor desirable to the majority of people.  If the gamepad adds nothing to gameplay (and for the most part this is true, almost all WiiU games can be played without it, without losing anything really.  Then the only reason to buy one is to eventually play HD 3D Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros....    There is no other reason to get one.  Worse, if PS4/720 launch as comparible price points (likely since they aren't THAT high tech and Sony/MS will almost certainly take a loss on them once again) WiiU is completely f---edI have to ask, what your reaction the first time Nintendo showeed

I have to ask, what was your reaction the first time Nintendo showed the Wii U at E3 2011?...the Wii, in the beginning of the generation, was following in the NES´ footsteps, then in 2010 it shifted to a more "N64/GCN approach", with the exception of DKC Returns...I take it you, as a Wii fan, started feeling 'left out'.

I had huge reservations about it from the start.  In 2004/5 Nintendo was wondering how to get more people to play.  They realized that the dual analog controllers were a huge discouragement for new people to begin playing (kids excepted).  Their solution was the wiimote.   It was admittedly an imperfect solution but it accomplished what Nintendo was after - grew their user base tremendously.    So to see them return to the dual analog controller (albeit with a touch screen attached) was a shock and disappointment. I knew instantly it would flop.  Casuals who didn't like the dual analog before certainly wouldn't like a bigger/bulkier and even more interface confusing one now and core gamers aren't going to take too kindly to the huge touchscreen either.   At that time it wasn't clear then how much the wiimote would continue to be supported though, or price, power, etc. 

Once it became clear that WiiU would be over-priced (because of the gamepad), underpowered (because of the cost of the gamepad), and lacked any killer core or casual launch title I knew it was doomed to Gamecube-like sales. Nintendoland fails because, while the appeal of the wiimote/Wii Sports was obvious, Nintendoland has to be played to see it's appeal and casual's won't want to play with the dual analog gamepad to begin with.    If they were willing to use dual analog they'd get a 360/PS3 with a s---load more games instead.  

WiiU (IMO) is completely and utterly screwed without an audience beyond the Nintendo faithful and I expected them to support WiiU better than what we're seeing.   I imagine once 3D Mario, Kart, Zelda, Smash, etc release the faithful will pick it up but now I'm starting to think it's sales will be closer to 10m as it's 3rd party support will likely be even worse than Gamecube's and GC at least had better tech and lower price than PS2.   WiiU will be substancially weaker than it's competition and likely just as expensive - possibly more, depending on how big a loss MS will take and how big a discount a 2yr XBL subscription will offer.

As a Wii fan I did feel NSMBWii was the last offering Nintendo made for people 'like me'.  Wii Party was 'meh', Wii Motion Plus sucked, and while I personally enjoyed Metroid: Other M and Kirby I'm sure most casuals or semi-core/casuals like me probably didn't look twice at them. Just Dance/Zumba Fitness saved Wii from falling even faster and further than it did.   And frankly Dance Central/Kinect is much better than those.

It's very hard to take you seriously after seeing your wiiU lifetime sales prediction... Do you really think Nintendo are just going to let it die? Do you realise they didn't even start advertising it to the mass audience yet? Do you realise that more games will be coming out for it? And most importantly..... Do you realise it's sold already 2.6M, which means you are predicting that it will sell barely 1.5m per year? Im sorry, but you just lost pretty much your whole credibility.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

newwil7l on 04 February 2013
ethomaz said:
kowenicki said:
360 year 8 of availability (2012) first 4 weeks - 796k

PS3 year 8 of availability (2013) first 4 weeks - 654k

Tracking 18% below 360 equivalent year.

The 360 had Halo, and the PS3 has the PS4, WiiU's second Xmas and Nextbox to compete with. Will end up way more than 20% below 360 equivalent year for sure.

360 ended the year on 9.8 million last year so I think PS3 can't do more than 7.5m imo, that will be down 33%.

PS3 will do over 11 million this year...



Haha I love the sarcasm. There is no way in hell that PS3 will sell that much.

thismeintiel on 04 February 2013
kowenicki said:
360 year 8 of availability (2012) first 4 weeks - 796k

PS3 year 8 of availability (2013) first 4 weeks - 654k

Tracking 18% below 360 equivalent year.

The 360 had Halo, and the PS3 has the PS4, WiiU's second Xmas and Nextbox to compete with. Will end up way more than 20% below 360 equivalent year for sure.

360 ended the year on 9.8 million last year so I think PS3 can't do more than 7.5m imo, that will be down 33%.

You think the PS3 is only going to do 7.5M?  Lol.  Tell me you're not being serious.  Nevermind, I know you are.  You honestly think the PS3 is going to drop by 4M YOY, when the PS3 only dropped by 2.6M last year, with no huge exclusives or price cut?  Wishful thinking on your part.  Personally, I don't see it being below 9M.  But, that's cool.  I'll just gleefully point it out to you at the end of the year. 



 

Bong Lover on 04 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

"Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November."

Using common sense, I at least have a basis for arguing that most gamers won't care post November. You, neglecting how the electronics market works, sidestepped that and accused me of focusing on the minority gamers.

(Edit: Also PC gamers won't care, forgot about them).

That in tiself doesn't discredit them being a statistical minority, merely accusing me of picking on them specifically. I reasoned that they are easily accessible, a sound response I think. Its easy.

I have a basis to say only a tiny minority of gamers will care post November. You don't. No further debate necessary indeed.

Again, I gave you Business Protocol 101. All you did was tell me that the majority of people will have moved on (a truth, but not the full story). Of course many gamers will have moved on, but I never argued against that, because that goes without saying. In the corporate world, though, the numbers will not be forgetten, minimized, or ignored (what I've said from the beginning). You weren't "sidestepped", you just heard the argument you wanted to hear and skipped what was relevant. You took one look at this week's numbers and decided that, by November, this will all suddenly vanish and it just doesn't work like that. Take it from a guy with an industry position, it's talked about much more than you think.

Nevertheless, the easiest way to solve this problem - agree to disagree.

Business Protocol 101? In the corporate world even fewer people will care when/if the PS3 sells more units than the 360. At least in the deep corners of the internet somewhere there will be a person here and a person there who acctually thinks it has any relevance. In the corporate world however the thing they will look at is : The PS3 lost x million dollars, the Xbox 360 made y million dollars. And that is all they will care about.



NYANKS on 04 February 2013
Bong Lover said:
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

"Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November."

Using common sense, I at least have a basis for arguing that most gamers won't care post November. You, neglecting how the electronics market works, sidestepped that and accused me of focusing on the minority gamers.

(Edit: Also PC gamers won't care, forgot about them).

That in tiself doesn't discredit them being a statistical minority, merely accusing me of picking on them specifically. I reasoned that they are easily accessible, a sound response I think. Its easy.

I have a basis to say only a tiny minority of gamers will care post November. You don't. No further debate necessary indeed.

Again, I gave you Business Protocol 101. All you did was tell me that the majority of people will have moved on (a truth, but not the full story). Of course many gamers will have moved on, but I never argued against that, because that goes without saying. In the corporate world, though, the numbers will not be forgetten, minimized, or ignored (what I've said from the beginning). You weren't "sidestepped", you just heard the argument you wanted to hear and skipped what was relevant. You took one look at this week's numbers and decided that, by November, this will all suddenly vanish and it just doesn't work like that. Take it from a guy with an industry position, it's talked about much more than you think.

Nevertheless, the easiest way to solve this problem - agree to disagree.

Business Protocol 101? In the corporate world even fewer people will care when/if the PS3 sells more units than the 360. At least in the deep corners of the internet somewhere there will be a person here and a person there who acctually thinks it has any relevance. In the corporate world however the thing they will look at is : The PS3 lost x million dollars, the Xbox 360 made y million dollars. And that is all they will care about.

Then those people wouldn't care about 360 leading for years either, because it's just a number and Sony closed the gap by selling at a faster rate all those years.  Started slow, ended up doing better.  Any way you slice this, Sony is going to end up with more consoles sold.  And the funniest part?  Aside from business execs watching the trends, WE are the only people who give a crap about this.  Or else we wouldn't feel the need to go back and forth like this.  The masses only care when they don't get their games.