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Mnementh on 27 January 2013
maximrace said:
Soleron said:

maximrace said:
I think it's easy to understand. There is a marketshift towards apps.

Oh really? Show me the big app game company's balance sheets.

Look at games like fruit ninja, temple run and angry birds. They are far more profitable than a 64€ core game that sells below 1m






Rovio (Angry Birds maker) had 2011 a revenue of 75.4 million €: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovio_Entertainment

THQ (recently bankrupt core-game maker) had 2011 a revenue of 665 million US$: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THQ

So even with a ultra-hit-game like Angry Birds (around 1 billion times sold) Rovio wasn't able to get as big as a core-game-maker. And Rovio is one of the biggest app-game-makers, Angry Birds is the exception, nothing common. And THQ is on the lower end of core-game-makers.



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Fireforgey on 27 January 2013
Deyon said:
i wonder how much will it take the wiiu to bounce back up, i would say 3rd quarter.


It'll start doing better once Rayman Legends, the Wonderful 101, and Pikmin 3 are released.  It'll pick up huge steam once Wind Waker HD comes out, very simmilar to the 3DS.  I think it just needs some time and better marketing.  The price, games, releases are all make a great mix for success.  I think the biggest metric will be next week when we see the results of the Nintendo Direct.  I think Nintendo has a great opportunity to show the power of talking directly to the consumers.  If it gets big boost this week or the next...That would be awesome and would mean that Nintnedo Direct is definitely the way of the future.   Honestly this is really cool, I mean just imagine a video on the internet making a huge impact on sales without spending a cent on advertising. 

Sorry for my ramblings, my inner business student is excited ^^.



Conegamer on 27 January 2013
Frank_kc said:
ethomaz said:
Meh PS3 sales but I expect adjustments soon... I think it is undertracked here.


Wait until Feb 7th when Sony report shows that they shipped 8 Million plus units in last Q.

Nice joke, there.

But correct; Nintendo release numbers soon, as do Sony. Any under-or-over-tracking will be accounted for then.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Conegamer on 27 January 2013
Fireforgey said:
Deyon said:
i wonder how much will it take the wiiu to bounce back up, i would say 3rd quarter.


It'll start doing better once Rayman Legends, the Wonderful 101, and Pikmin 3 are released.  It'll pick up huge steam once Wind Waker HD comes out, very simmilar to the 3DS.  I think it just needs some time and better marketing.  The price, games, releases are all make a great mix for success.  I think the biggest metric will be next week when we see the results of the Nintendo Direct.  I think Nintendo has a great opportunity to show the power of talking directly to the consumers.  If it gets big boost this week or the next...That would be awesome and would mean that Nintnedo Direct is definitely the way of the future.   Honestly this is really cool, I mean just imagine a video on the internet making a huge impact on sales without spending a cent on advertising. 

Sorry for my ramblings, my inner business student is excited ^^.

I don't think a ND will have an effect on sales. However, everything else you said is accurate. Perhaps the only thing that needs to be done is advertising; show them it's new, show them what it can do (the Monolith Soft trailer, for example), and tell people why they need it and why it's so cheap. That ain't happening now.



 

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Fireforgey on 27 January 2013
Conegamer said:
Fireforgey said:
Deyon said:
i wonder how much will it take the wiiu to bounce back up, i would say 3rd quarter.


It'll start doing better once Rayman Legends, the Wonderful 101, and Pikmin 3 are released.  It'll pick up huge steam once Wind Waker HD comes out, very simmilar to the 3DS.  I think it just needs some time and better marketing.  The price, games, releases are all make a great mix for success.  I think the biggest metric will be next week when we see the results of the Nintendo Direct.  I think Nintendo has a great opportunity to show the power of talking directly to the consumers.  If it gets big boost this week or the next...That would be awesome and would mean that Nintnedo Direct is definitely the way of the future.   Honestly this is really cool, I mean just imagine a video on the internet making a huge impact on sales without spending a cent on advertising. 

Sorry for my ramblings, my inner business student is excited ^^.

I don't think a ND will have an effect on sales. However, everything else you said is accurate. Perhaps the only thing that needs to be done is advertising; show them it's new, show them what it can do (the Monolith Soft trailer, for example), and tell people why they need it and why it's so cheap. That ain't happening now.

But ust imagine the consequences if the Nintendo Direct does have a powerful effect?  What would that mean for the industry?  I will probably be disapointed but a man can dream, can't he?



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Conegamer on 27 January 2013
Fireforgey said:
Conegamer said:
Fireforgey said:
Deyon said:
i wonder how much will it take the wiiu to bounce back up, i would say 3rd quarter.


It'll start doing better once Rayman Legends, the Wonderful 101, and Pikmin 3 are released.  It'll pick up huge steam once Wind Waker HD comes out, very simmilar to the 3DS.  I think it just needs some time and better marketing.  The price, games, releases are all make a great mix for success.  I think the biggest metric will be next week when we see the results of the Nintendo Direct.  I think Nintendo has a great opportunity to show the power of talking directly to the consumers.  If it gets big boost this week or the next...That would be awesome and would mean that Nintnedo Direct is definitely the way of the future.   Honestly this is really cool, I mean just imagine a video on the internet making a huge impact on sales without spending a cent on advertising. 

Sorry for my ramblings, my inner business student is excited ^^.

I don't think a ND will have an effect on sales. However, everything else you said is accurate. Perhaps the only thing that needs to be done is advertising; show them it's new, show them what it can do (the Monolith Soft trailer, for example), and tell people why they need it and why it's so cheap. That ain't happening now.

But ust imagine the consequences if the Nintendo Direct does have a powerful effect?  What would that mean for the industry?  I will probably be disapointed but a man can dream, can't he?

Oh definitely, it would be nice if there were positive side effects. And there are; I've heard plenty of people talking about it now where they didn't before. So it's whether or not that buzz results in sales; and it likely will. Just not now.



 

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Alby_da_Wolf on 27 January 2013

Horrible numbers overall. Even for the dead season, just 3DS is good, PS3 decent, XB360 acceptable, the others are wheezing and rolling on the floor in agony.



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Turkish on 27 January 2013
TheSource said:

This is going to be a horrble year for the global industry if the Wii U and 3DS don't pick up soon.

Week 3 2013: 535,000 systems

Week 3 2012: 847,000 systems 

Drop: -37%

 

Week 1-3 2013: 2,672,000 systems

Week 1-3 2012:  3,666,000 systems

Drop: -27%

 

PS3 + X360 in Week 1-3 2013: 909,000 systems

PS3 + X360 in Week 1-3 2012: 1,483,000 systems

Drop: -39%

 

PS3 + X360 in 2012: 21,083,000

PS3 + X360 Current Pace for 2013: 12,860,000 (-39%)

That comes out to like 7m PS3s and 5.9m X360s

 

The whole year is probably going to be like this:

3DS - 15m globally (5.8m Japan, 7m US & EU, 2.2m elsewhere)

Wii U - 7m* (3m US, 2m EU, 1.3m JP, 0.7m elsewhere)

PS3 - 7m (2.3m US, 3m EU, 0.8m JP, 0.9m elsewhere)

X360 - 5.9m (3m US, 1.8m EU, 1.1m elsewhere)

Vita - 4.0m (1.3m US, 1.3m EU, 900k JP, 0.5m elsewhere)

Wii - 2.0m (0.8m US, 0.4m EU, 0.3m JP, 0.5m elsewhere)

PS4 - 2.0m (0.7m US, 0.8m EU, 0.4m JP, 0.1m elsewhere)

Xbox 720 - 2.0m (1m US, 1m EU)

PSP - 1.3m (0.1m US, 0.4m EU, 0.3m JP, 0.5m elsewhere)

* Assumes price cut in April

I'm being fairly optimistic with a lot of these, but it still comes out to everything being 10% from 2012 (52m to 46m)


You're fairly pesimistic with a lot of those.

Let me correct you:

Vita will do more than 4m (lol, you forgot to *assume no pricecut this entire year)

PS3 will do more than 7m(lol, it will easily pass 9m)

360 will do more than 5.9m(lol, it did that in previous Q alone)

WiiU will do more than 7m, it gets a Mario game and pricecut this year



Max King of the Wild on 27 January 2013
the_dengle said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Profit meas nothing to the consumer... and "no other console blahblah blah" no other generation was as massve as this one... its called adapting

Profit means nothing to the consumer? What about to the company? How is losing money year after year just by selling your product a sustainable business model?

Nintendo got it right. They got it way more right than Sony and Microsoft, and that's why they were the most (or only) profitable hardware producer this gen.

But it isn't the company adopting the new technology.... which is what we are talking about... sales... by the consumer... profitbility won't affect the adoption rate. It maybe a secondary cause to a primary reason for slow adoption.



Sensei on 27 January 2013

PS Vita and Wii U doing really bad.

PSV I think it can't get much worse than it is now. Price cut + some new games that are in its way should at least keep it afloat.

Wii U however worries me because things could get even worse once the next PlayStation and Xbox release. If it is having trouble keeping up with PS3 and 360, imagine when its competition is actually out there? Nintendo will not leave it as is, however, I am pretty sure they'll bring out the big games + price cut to counter Sony and MS.