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ninjablade on 23 January 2013
JWeinCom said:
ninjablade said:
happydolphin said:
ninjablade said:

lol yea nintendo announced, games we expected, i don't see anything saving the wiiu, lol, people act like big third party games have been anounced, i didn't see any game that was above 360/ps3 graphics, and instead of yoshi's island which was rumored we got yoshi's epic yard which is a big meh.

I didn't like epic yarn either, so I understand what you're saying, but it's besides the point. There was an unexpected X game announced, that's megaton because Shin Megami Tensei is super cult in Japan iiuc.

Then, there's the new Monolith game.

And yes, there was a lot of doubt as to where all the games were, I lately made a thread on that, so this is anti-doom, especially when games that have previously sold in the 30million, 10 million copies each (3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart).

To say this is not anti-doom is really really missing the point of being on a sales site. These games push consoles and thus sales. It's, by definition, anti-doom.

honestly  looking at sales, i don't think any of them will really save the wiiu, look at the wii sales now, it just launched with mario and its selling like crap so soon after launch, what makes you think these othere mario games will  sell systems when it not working now, the othere games you mentioned should give the wii u a good boost in japan by about 300,000 units but that about it.

This is probably a waste of time... but..

People don't all rush out to buy a console for one game they want.  Not every single person who bought an X-Box 360 bought it the moment Halo 3 came out.  A lot of people are going to wait till the system has a few more games.  Some people are looking for something besides 2D Mario.  Some people really love Mario Kart, others are into Wii Fit etc.

And of course, some people just are looking for a combination of things.  Uncharted looked cool, but it wasn't enough to make me run out and buy a PS3.  Heavy Rain came out, and I wanted the system a little more.  Infamous 2 looked really cool as well.  It wasn't one game that made me buy a PS3, but a combination of factors.


Likewise, there are going to be some people who like 2D Mario, but not enough to invest in a Wii U.  But those people might buy a Wii U for New Super Mario Bros, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart.  Like any other console sales increase when the library increases.

its just not about games though, where is the interest, its a new nintendo console at 299$, not limited in stock and selling like a dead system, jsut horrible WW, its just not about games, it about marketing, brand awarness, and games.



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happydolphin on 23 January 2013
kitler53 said:

with pikmin3, wonderful 101, wii fit U, game and wario all delayed i kind of doubt all of these titles will be this year.  too closely spaced to be realistic.

between 3D mario and mario kart one will probably be holiday 2013, the other march 2014.  SSB and the new Zelda are probably holiday 2014 and march 2015.

the aforementioned delays are probably Q2 2013

fire emblem, the monolith game, yoshi epic yarn, WW remake, bayonetta 2, wiiU party could all hit this year (Q3 and Q4) but i wouldn't be surprised if at least one (likey fire emblem or monolith) slips to early (Q1 or Q2) 2014.

imo.

I would bet sig control for Zelda coming out in 2014. Everything else I agree with.

@Rol. It's all relative: 

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/game_comparison.php?reg=Global&ending=Weekly&game%5B%5D=New+Super+Mario+Bros.+Wii+%28Wii%29+%5B35076%5D&game%5B%5D=New+Super+Mario+Bros.+U+%28WiiU%29+%5B70766%5D&game%5B%5D=&game%5B%5D=

I understand it's a launch, but NSMB and Nintendoland were no anti-doom like Wii Sports or NSMB Wii were.



TheBardsSong on 23 January 2013

The new Xeno game hands down made me more excited than anything on the 360, PS3, or Wii combined.



Aielyn on 23 January 2013
badgenome said:
Are we talking about unexpected software, or software that can "undoom" the Wii U? Because those are not exactly system sellers.

(Except for X. Holy hell!)

But since they basically said, "Wait until E3 for Mario Kart, etc." then we pretty much know what to expect there.

Do you really think they'd announce that Mario 3D and Mario Kart will be playable at E3 during the Nintendo Direct in JANUARY if they didn't have some surprises lined up?

Consider that we still have no idea what Retro have in store for the Wii U.

Consider that Pokemon is still absent completely from the Wii U.

Consider that Wii U Sports pretty much needs to show up, but hasn't been seen.

Consider that Iwata made specific mention of the fact that there would be a lot more by way of collaborations announced in the near future. He was pretty explicit about it being an "example" of the collaborations they're already working on.

Also not currently known - the games from Monster Games (last game was in 2011), AlphaDream (last game was in 2009), Noise (last game in 2009), Paon (last game was in 2008), and Skip Ltd (last game was in 2011), in terms of second-parties. And HAL's last "game" was Face Raiders for 3DS. SDD's last piece of software was Photo Dojo for the DSi in 2009 (co-developed with SPD group 5 - also their last release). NST haven't released anything noteworthy since 2010. SPD groups 2 and 3 haven't released anything since 2011 (2010 if you don't count their support work on Xenoblade Chronicles and Pilotwings Resort, respectively).

In short, there's a lot we don't know, and yet Nintendo felt it appropriate to remove any surprise value in suddenly revealing Mario 3D and Mario Kart at E3, or in a sudden, devoted unveiling. Instead, it was just a drop-in mention. There's simply no way that Nintendo is going to spoil their big surprises for E3. As you said, Mario 3D and Mario Kart were both pretty much a given - so the only reason to give away minor surprises is if you've got at least one major one.



sales2099 on 23 January 2013
digitalnasties said:
sales2099 said:
If it makes you feel better WiiU is 1st place and in worst case scenario will be 1st place for another year while 3720/PS4 close the gap.

So really, WiiU will be 1st place from Nov. 2012, to November 2014.

Enjoy your 2 year victory!


That's still two years mircosoft will never have in first place, only Sony will ever match Nintendo system sales.

2 years MS AND Sony will ever have.

Xbox beat Gamecube buddy, so its not impossible that MS can beat either Nintendo or Sony.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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happydolphin on 23 January 2013
kitler53 said:

it was certainly a good showing overall.  some things were certainly obvious.  i could have predicted a mario kart even before the wiiU was announced but it is nice to know what will be sooner than later.

the worst part of the show for me is the conspcious absence of anything 3rd party.  no GTAV, no  bioshock, no dark souls2, no what-have-you.  i never feared nintendo would bring a handful of great games a year but i buy at least 30 a year and no third party means i'll likely regret a wiiU purchase as much as i did my wii in the long run.

nintendo support will, as usual, dry up in a few years as they prep for their next console launch (likely the successor to the 3DS) leaving nothing left if third parties don't show.  that's not a mistake i want to make again.

In terms of Nintendo support, the Wii only failed in 2012. Other than that, it was just as awesome as the gamecube in terms of 1st party, if not more varied.



badgenome on 23 January 2013
Aielyn said:

Do you really think they'd announce that Mario 3D and Mario Kart will be playable at E3 during the Nintendo Direct in JANUARY if they didn't have some surprises lined up?

Given their past E3s? Yes.



sensebringer on 23 January 2013
ninjablade said:
JWeinCom said:
ninjablade said:
happydolphin said:
ninjablade said:

lol yea nintendo announced, games we expected, i don't see anything saving the wiiu, lol, people act like big third party games have been anounced, i didn't see any game that was above 360/ps3 graphics, and instead of yoshi's island which was rumored we got yoshi's epic yard which is a big meh.

I didn't like epic yarn either, so I understand what you're saying, but it's besides the point. There was an unexpected X game announced, that's megaton because Shin Megami Tensei is super cult in Japan iiuc.

Then, there's the new Monolith game.

And yes, there was a lot of doubt as to where all the games were, I lately made a thread on that, so this is anti-doom, especially when games that have previously sold in the 30million, 10 million copies each (3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart).

To say this is not anti-doom is really really missing the point of being on a sales site. These games push consoles and thus sales. It's, by definition, anti-doom.

honestly  looking at sales, i don't think any of them will really save the wiiu, look at the wii sales now, it just launched with mario and its selling like crap so soon after launch, what makes you think these othere mario games will  sell systems when it not working now, the othere games you mentioned should give the wii u a good boost in japan by about 300,000 units but that about it.

This is probably a waste of time... but..

People don't all rush out to buy a console for one game they want.  Not every single person who bought an X-Box 360 bought it the moment Halo 3 came out.  A lot of people are going to wait till the system has a few more games.  Some people are looking for something besides 2D Mario.  Some people really love Mario Kart, others are into Wii Fit etc.

And of course, some people just are looking for a combination of things.  Uncharted looked cool, but it wasn't enough to make me run out and buy a PS3.  Heavy Rain came out, and I wanted the system a little more.  Infamous 2 looked really cool as well.  It wasn't one game that made me buy a PS3, but a combination of factors.


Likewise, there are going to be some people who like 2D Mario, but not enough to invest in a Wii U.  But those people might buy a Wii U for New Super Mario Bros, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart.  Like any other console sales increase when the library increases.

its just not about games though, where is the interest, its a new nintendo console at 299$, not limited in stock and selling like a dead system, jsut horrible WW, its just not about games, it about marketing, brand awarness, and games.

I have seem some biased people around here. But your bias against Nintendo is in another level. Is like every time you make a post is to talk some nonsense about Nintendo. 



ninjablade on 23 January 2013
sensebringer said:
ninjablade said:
JWeinCom said:
ninjablade said:
happydolphin said:
ninjablade said:

lol yea nintendo announced, games we expected, i don't see anything saving the wiiu, lol, people act like big third party games have been anounced, i didn't see any game that was above 360/ps3 graphics, and instead of yoshi's island which was rumored we got yoshi's epic yard which is a big meh.

I didn't like epic yarn either, so I understand what you're saying, but it's besides the point. There was an unexpected X game announced, that's megaton because Shin Megami Tensei is super cult in Japan iiuc.

Then, there's the new Monolith game.

And yes, there was a lot of doubt as to where all the games were, I lately made a thread on that, so this is anti-doom, especially when games that have previously sold in the 30million, 10 million copies each (3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart).

To say this is not anti-doom is really really missing the point of being on a sales site. These games push consoles and thus sales. It's, by definition, anti-doom.

honestly  looking at sales, i don't think any of them will really save the wiiu, look at the wii sales now, it just launched with mario and its selling like crap so soon after launch, what makes you think these othere mario games will  sell systems when it not working now, the othere games you mentioned should give the wii u a good boost in japan by about 300,000 units but that about it.

This is probably a waste of time... but..

People don't all rush out to buy a console for one game they want.  Not every single person who bought an X-Box 360 bought it the moment Halo 3 came out.  A lot of people are going to wait till the system has a few more games.  Some people are looking for something besides 2D Mario.  Some people really love Mario Kart, others are into Wii Fit etc.

And of course, some people just are looking for a combination of things.  Uncharted looked cool, but it wasn't enough to make me run out and buy a PS3.  Heavy Rain came out, and I wanted the system a little more.  Infamous 2 looked really cool as well.  It wasn't one game that made me buy a PS3, but a combination of factors.


Likewise, there are going to be some people who like 2D Mario, but not enough to invest in a Wii U.  But those people might buy a Wii U for New Super Mario Bros, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart.  Like any other console sales increase when the library increases.

its just not about games though, where is the interest, its a new nintendo console at 299$, not limited in stock and selling like a dead system, jsut horrible WW, its just not about games, it about marketing, brand awarness, and games.

I have seem some biased people around here. But your bias against Nintendo is in another level. Is like every time you make a post is to talk some nonsense about Nintendo. 

did i ever say nintendo games suck, i think mario and zelda are great, i don't like the wii mote or the specs, i'm just making my predictions on what the system will sale, and looking at sales so far i'm on point. 



mushroomboy5 on 23 January 2013
Barozi said:


Also mark my words. If the new Mario Kart doesn't come with any hardware peripheral (even if it's just plastic) it will do MUCH worse than MK Wii (even if the WiiU gets a 100m userbase). The plastic wheel was the big reason why it was pirated much less in certain regions.

even if that's true (which I'm not sure...you know you didn't need to use the wheel right??? In fact it was better without it. Once the novelty wore off most people I know preferred just using the tilted wii mote minus the wheel or, better yet, the classic controller)...basically all nintendo need to do is release the wii u mariokart with some kind of add on and it will sell 30+ million (using your logic). I'm sure a company that seems to release a peripheral with every second game they make will have no problem with that.