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tbone51 on 10 January 2013
JoeTheBro said:
tbone51 said:
JoeTheBro said:
naruball said:
deskpro2k3 said:


Yeah, vita has no games all right..


Actually most people here are right. It's not that vita has no games, it just doens't have any must have games. Mario and Pokemon are games that easily sell any handheld console. Vita has some amazing games that the general public has either never heard of, doesn't think they suit a handheld or simply does not consider them must haves.

Gran Tursimo and God of War are probably the closest thing to a must have that Sony has. Then again, GOW has had one too many games released lately.

I agree that its games aren't valuable enough to the public. That's why my philosophy is if Sony wants some system sellers they need to make console ip sequels exclusive to Vita. Heavy Rain 2, Uncharted 4, Infamous 3, and Shadow of the Colossus 2 as proper sequels exclusive for vita are the only true system selling games Sony could make.



Your right but its a hard choice! If sony puts Uncharted 4 (which is one of top IP they have) exclusive for Vita, That push hardware easily up, say a mil around 3months (which is great for just one game pushing) and it gets 1.5mil software, which is excellent for its user base. Problem is on PS3 they can make over 5times the amount IMO. Games will stay at $60, way bigger user base, and i think people perfer home console. Jus saying its smart but Sony needs the money and probably go with another spinoff 1st then a main series on Vita

It's a tough business choice but a no brainer if they desperaitly need to increase Vita sales without a price cut. Uncharted 4 would be the biggest gamble with also the biggest reward. Due to the relativly good sales of Golden Abyss yet less than stelar reviews this is Sony's smartest move in my opinion. The game would cost less than Uncharted 3 to develop (due to the smaller screen) and would could sell millions with heavy bundling. Also since Uncharted 4 would have to be on the PS4 instead of the PS3, there is not really a lost profit potential.



For Vita Uncharted does seem as their best choice, PSASBR didn't push hardware, (even though its mostly for ps3), COD is kinda pushing i guess, If they do make anothr hopefully it aint as bad (saying this from everybody's Opinion and reviews), If i get a PSV i'll be buying Gravity Rush but thats not enough for me to spend my money on, maybe a GTA do great? Vita in Japan looks bad especially with all the 3DS titles coming out. I think they have one game, its on the COMG charts? Not sure if that will push hardware?



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deskpro2k3 on 10 January 2013
Euphoria14 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Euphoria14 said:
 


I don't get it, of course.

Way to shift the argument after being proven wrong. You said I didn't get a clue because E3 doesn't have mobile games. You were wrong.

iOS also has a ton of games that Vita don't have. Gonna take a long time before your comment just now holds any weight.

 

Please, prove where I grasped at straws or how I don't gt it. Last I checked I keep putting out facts while you claim I'm wrong while putting up nothing at all but your personal opinion.


You haven't proven anything, you're just picking at straws.. You've agreed that idevices has the ability to play games which I also agree with, and that PS Vita is a dedicated gaming machine, but yet you still go on.

I also said Vita will eventually get those mobile games that you're so passionate about on your idevices. Jetpack Joyride is already one of them amoung others that will eventually make its way into the ps mobile store. Give it time, there is nothing the PS Vita can't do that android or ios can do.


I keep going on? The current conversation now is based on a question YOU asked me. Hell, I suggested we take it to my wall if fhe discussion needed to continue. I even separated posts to get us back on topic, so don't play that game with me. You are just as guilty considering you ignored those posts and instead decided to continue this discussion within this thread.

You say I grasp at straws with naming games outside of E3 and claim I don't get a clue because E3 has none, which is why you asked. You were proven wrong. Now you continue to say I don't get it. How do I not get it when everything you claim I prove wrong?

I don't get what? That iDevices are suddenly proper gaming devices like I said from the start? Soul Sacrifice not being on iPhone proves nothing except iPhone has no buttons or that iPhone doesn't have games made by SCEJ. Now, if buttons = proper gaming device is your real argument then it is a poor one.

 

Jetpack and Cut The Rope are also only (2) games. IOS is bigger than that. They all won't arrive on Vita and you know that.

 

The conversation should end here as it clearly isnt going anywhere.

Enough, you're reading out of context, and out of the passion you have for iPad. The fact of the matter is Its an app device with the ability to play some games, it can't play every game. End of story. You keep wanting to prove its more than that and its a futile attempt.

I doubt Vita will rely on mobile games to sell because what it needs is bigger full games that will make it stand out, and not games like angry birds.. Why would a consumer buy a Vita if the sam mobile games is on their phone or tablet. The consumers needs to be aware of how the Vita stands apart from ios, and the only way that will happen is with unique games that stands out from 5-10min pick up arcade mobile games.

The A9 CPU has so much potential. It can render more objects, enable online play like MMOs etc. Like we both agree on, the A9 CPU and OLED will get cheaper to make, thus it puts Sony in a good position to make profit or allow a price cut. The price is as I see it as the only problem it has.



Turkish on 10 January 2013
ps3-sales! said:

I woke up to news of Pokemon X and Y for the 3DS and thought to myself, I HAVE TO GET A 3DS. 

It's as simple as that. I really want a 3ds because of Pokemon X and Y. Those games are worth the console itself. VITA HAS NONE OF THOSE. When will we see a game introduced for the Vita that makes you say, I HAVE TO GET A VITA.


This is subjective and your opinion doesn't mean it counts for everyone else. For me the game that made me get a Vita was Gravity Rush and Uncharted.



Veknoid_Outcast on 10 January 2013
Turkish said:
ps3-sales! said:

I woke up to news of Pokemon X and Y for the 3DS and thought to myself, I HAVE TO GET A 3DS. 

It's as simple as that. I really want a 3ds because of Pokemon X and Y. Those games are worth the console itself. VITA HAS NONE OF THOSE. When will we see a game introduced for the Vita that makes you say, I HAVE TO GET A VITA.


This is subjective and your opinion doesn't mean it counts for everyone else. For me the game that made me get a Vita was Gravity Rush and Uncharted.

Sure there are a bunch of games that probably made a few people buy the system, but there is no Super Mario 3DS, no Animal Crossing, no "killer app" for Vita.

And the sales reflect that.

I really think that, above all else, is what's holding the system back.



Turkish on 10 January 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
ps3-sales! said:

I woke up to news of Pokemon X and Y for the 3DS and thought to myself, I HAVE TO GET A 3DS. 

It's as simple as that. I really want a 3ds because of Pokemon X and Y. Those games are worth the console itself. VITA HAS NONE OF THOSE. When will we see a game introduced for the Vita that makes you say, I HAVE TO GET A VITA.


This is subjective and your opinion doesn't mean it counts for everyone else. For me the game that made me get a Vita was Gravity Rush and Uncharted.

Sure there are a bunch of games that probably made a few people buy the system, but there is no Super Mario 3DS, no Animal Crossing, no "killer app" for Vita.

And the sales reflect that.

I really think that, above all else, is what's holding the system back.


I was pointing out that what he wants so badly doesn't mean I will. Quality of a game doesn't always reflect sales, bad games can sell tons while good games not. There are many Vita games that would make a lot of people want to get Vita, I'm not talking about sales or killer apps, I'm talking about the appeal.



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Veknoid_Outcast on 10 January 2013
Turkish said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
ps3-sales! said:
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This is subjective and your opinion doesn't mean it counts for everyone else. For me the game that made me get a Vita was Gravity Rush and Uncharted.

Sure there are a bunch of games that probably made a few people buy the system, but there is no Super Mario 3DS, no Animal Crossing, no "killer app" for Vita.

And the sales reflect that.

I really think that, above all else, is what's holding the system back.


I was pointing out that what he wants so badly doesn't mean I will. Quality of a game doesn't always reflect sales, bad games can sell tons while good games not. There are many Vita games that would make a lot of people want to get Vita, I'm not talking about sales or killer apps, I'm talking about the appeal.

But a killer app is all about appeal. If the vita had a killer app, like Halo or Wii Sports or Grand Theft Auto III, people would pay the $250 to play it.

If the Vita was truly appealing it would be selling better.



Turkish on 10 January 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
ps3-sales! said:
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This is subjective and your opinion doesn't mean it counts for everyone else. For me the game that made me get a Vita was Gravity Rush and Uncharted.

Sure there are a bunch of games that probably made a few people buy the system, but there is no Super Mario 3DS, no Animal Crossing, no "killer app" for Vita.

And the sales reflect that.

I really think that, above all else, is what's holding the system back.


I was pointing out that what he wants so badly doesn't mean I will. Quality of a game doesn't always reflect sales, bad games can sell tons while good games not. There are many Vita games that would make a lot of people want to get Vita, I'm not talking about sales or killer apps, I'm talking about the appeal.

But a killer app is all about appeal. If the vita had a killer app, like Halo or Wii Sports or Grand Theft Auto III, people would pay the $250 to play it.

If the Vita was truly appealing it would be selling better.


Again, I'm not talking about sales. Just because a game sells millions doesn't mean it will make me go and buy a system for it. Neither Wii sports nor Call of Duty made me buy a console. Are Sound Shapes or Gravity Rush not appealing enough? Or the upcoming Soul Sacrifice?



Veknoid_Outcast on 10 January 2013
Turkish said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Turkish said:
ps3-sales! said:
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[...]

Sure there are a bunch of games that probably made a few people buy the system, but there is no Super Mario 3DS, no Animal Crossing, no "killer app" for Vita.

And the sales reflect that.

I really think that, above all else, is what's holding the system back.


I was pointing out that what he wants so badly doesn't mean I will. Quality of a game doesn't always reflect sales, bad games can sell tons while good games not. There are many Vita games that would make a lot of people want to get Vita, I'm not talking about sales or killer apps, I'm talking about the appeal.

But a killer app is all about appeal. If the vita had a killer app, like Halo or Wii Sports or Grand Theft Auto III, people would pay the $250 to play it.

If the Vita was truly appealing it would be selling better.


Again, I'm not talking about sales. Just because a game sells millions doesn't mean it will make me go and buy a system for it. Neither Wii sports nor Call of Duty made me buy a console. Are Sound Shapes or Gravity Rush not appealing enough? Or the upcoming Soul Sacrifice?

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm not saying strong sales should inspire people to desire a Vita; I'm saying strong sales are proof the Vita is desirable.

We're talking about the "problem with the Vita." To me the problem is a lack of games people want to buy. You and I might want to play them, but millions of other do not.



Euphoria14 on 10 January 2013
deskpro2k3 said:

Enough, you're reading out of context, and out of the passion you have for iPad. The fact of the matter is Its an app device with the ability to play some games, it can't play every game. End of story. You keep wanting to prove its more than that and its a futile attempt.

I doubt Vita will rely on mobile games to sell because what it needs is bigger full games that will make it stand out, and not games like angry birds.. Why would a consumer buy a Vita if the sam mobile games is on their phone or tablet. The consumers needs to be aware of how the Vita stands apart from ios, and the only way that will happen is with unique games that stands out from 5-10min pick up arcade mobile games.

The A9 CPU has so much potential. It can render more objects, enable online play like MMOs etc. Like we both agree on, the A9 CPU and OLED will get cheaper to make, thus it puts Sony in a good position to make profit or allow a price cut. The price is as I see it as the only problem it has.

I am going to ignore that first part because as we said, this conversation needs to end. It is obvious we are not going to agree what so ever on this subject.

 

As for the rest of your post. That goes just about any gaming device. They all need software to entice consumers to buy their product and the Vita has a pretty big amount coming in the first half of 2013, most notibly in Japan. However, like I said initially, I feel the biggest hurdle at the moment is the incredibly large price tag, and not just the one you see on the Vita box either. Those memory cards and $40-$50 games add up.

So outside of the iOS disagreement we have, we seem to agree on everything else.



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outlawauron on 10 January 2013
Dodece said:
Forgive me for saying so, but it doesn't matter what games, or types of games the Vita has on the menu. They might discourage ownership, but they will never encourage ownership either. Sony is charging a premium for their product that consumers refuse to pay, and with damned good reason might I add. They are selling a portable for the same price as a actual console. A substitute or a whittled down version should never cost as much as the original in the eyes of your average consumer, and they actually have a pretty good point there.

Three hundred dollars for the Vita and a game. Goes way beyond a impulse buy. It is the very definition of a real hard sell, and one most consumers aren't going to be able to justify. Not in the way they can justify buying older, cheaper, or customizable platforms. Seriously the Vita is money being poorly spent. I am sorry if anyone is taking that personally, but for most people that kind of money can go a long way to buying more practical or extravagant electronics. The price just isn't matching the need.

Recently I started thinking about getting a portable gaming device, and I actually looked into getting a Vita, but I couldn't even look past that price point. I am actually looking towards picking up a tablet, because if I am going to spend that kind of money a portable device better damn well do more then play games. The Kindle Fire is actually looking way more attractive right now.

*yawn*

It's the same price as the PSP was at launch, as are game prices. People drop far more at the tip of the hat for new technology that has far less value. While price is an issue, for Sony, I do not believe lowering it would be a fix all solution.



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