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"Investors are seldom ahead of the curve and are usually reactionary. And the vast majority are not into games as much as those on this site. I doubt most who have investments in Nintendo even know that the sales are down. They just aren't hearing Wii-like buzz, are scared of games in general, and have yet to hear that Nintendo has started turning a profit again."

I hope you're right.  I'm holding my shares until the Q3 report, then I'll reassess.  Just hoping the misses on the hardware projections, and the Wii U software projections don't negate the exchange rate & 3DS profits.  

Would love to see a revision UP for FY2012 profits BACK to 20 Billion Yen...or higher!

After all, the projections cut was reportdedly due primarily to the Euro/Yen rate of 100.  At 115 I hope they can revise back up for Annual Profit.

Also, The Last Starfighter is my 7th favorite movie of all time.  

There should be a new game made for it.



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I would be very cautious about selling as I'm very confident it will rise in value. I would love a Starfighter game, but only if the high score grants you an audition to be a pilot for an alien space fleet. And the girl of your dreams, naturally.



OceanJ said:
More specifically to your points and conclusion about the numbers.  I love data.  there are a couple of problems with your data...or at least parts that are not really factored in.  First, your US data is comparing full years. But as we know, DS launched at Christmas while 3DS launched in spring.  That means for DS it's first year Christmas was with gimped launch supplies, while 3DS was post-price drop and with a full year's supply of inventory build up and avaialable. So it's not comparing apples to apples.
 
But most of all is once you factor in that different launch period, the 3DS is actually following the DS very closely. If you look at sales history, and bring in the GBA history as well, you can see that for the first two years on the market the DS was way more popular in Japan than it was in the US.  It wasn't until year 3 that the DS caught up in America.  There are several reasons, but a very significant one is the launch of Pokemon titles which launch a year later in the US than in Japan.  GBA sales lasted strong about a year longer in the US than in Japan.  The same is true of DS which saw Pokemon arrive for Christmas just last year.  Expect US buyers to abandon the DS this coming year and start buying up 3DS in larger numbers, quickly catching up to Japan and following the overall sales trend and proportion of the DS.

Regarding the DS vs 3DS comparisons...yes the DS was launched in Nov of 2004 during the holidays and the 3DS was not.

I only brought the DS into the conversation for 1 point which is valid regardless:  In its 2nd year on sale, the DS trended dramatically up in total and average weekly sales, in all major regions.  But the 3DS in its second year trended down in both the U.S. and Europe.   This fact holds relevance regardless of launch dates.

Also just to clarify my agenda...like you I'm a Nintendo investor, and I'm trying to figure out what to do with my shares.  I was baffled by the current share-price.  And I couldn't figure out how if 3DS was outpacing the DS, and UP YoY globally from 2011 - 2012...AND it's selling for a profit!  HOW Nintendo shares could possibly be pushing new 52 week lows.

The answer to my dismay, is because the 3DS is in decline in Europe and the US and somehow Japan did so strong that it made up for those declines.  But Japan can't keep carrying the load for Nintendo.

No matter what the reason, the simple fact is the 3DS is on a bad trajectory in the US and Europe.


The thing about this is that there can be a multitude of reasons why there's this trend going on, and it is way too early to say it even is a "trend" quite yet.  

Companies sees their ups and downs all the time, just because they predicted high and got modest results doesn't really mean that things are turning to shit.  
Really I'm just trying to say it's a bit early to jump to conclusions just yet.  2012 has been a slow year for everyone.



I think a new Pokemon game for 3DS could really boost sales in Europe and America. Pokemon is the only franchise besides Mario that will really move units in those two regions.
In Japan, they will have a record setting quarter when MH4 launches. Getting MH was the smartest move Nintendo has made recently.

As far as the Wii U goes, we need to give it time. It really doesn't have many games going for it right now, and it's expensive. I think next holiday will be much better for it. Excitement from E3+bigger library+potential price cut and they should have a decent if not great holiday.

From a gamer point of view, I think Iwata should be fired. I have been left out in the cold for a while now, and I own every Nintendo console. That doesn't seem right to me, and Nintendo is on the verge of losing me entirely. I own a 3DS XL and a Wii U, and I am quite unhappy with both.




Nintendo in Japan is doing well above par... Its the NA and Europe markets that need help!! Get more western developers on board and they should be fine.



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OceanJ said:

"Investors are seldom ahead of the curve and are usually reactionary. And the vast majority are not into games as much as those on this site. I doubt most who have investments in Nintendo even know that the sales are down. They just aren't hearing Wii-like buzz, are scared of games in general, and have yet to hear that Nintendo has started turning a profit again."

I hope you're right.  I'm holding my shares until the Q3 report, then I'll reassess.  Just hoping the misses on the hardware projections, and the Wii U software projections don't negate the exchange rate & 3DS profits.  

Would love to see a revision UP for FY2012 profits BACK to 20 Billion Yen...or higher!

After all, the projections cut was reportdedly due primarily to the Euro/Yen rate of 100.  At 115 I hope they can revise back up for Annual Profit.

Also, The Last Starfighter is my 7th favorite movie of all time.  

There should be a new game made for it.

I'm going in cautiously too. I hoping there will be a slight revision due to exchange rates which will in turn help profit margins be higher. I'm tired of looking at my shares going down in value. I hope Iwata tomorrow delivers in regards to Pokémon. They need their killer app for both 3DS and Wii U. Overall, the 3DS seems locked for Japan with Dragon Quest VII and Monster Hunter 4 coming in the first half of the year; however, Nintendo cannot only count on Japan for growth and delivering those high sales. Nintendo Direct is a great way to promote a product to gamers; however, their marketing has yet to reach the broader audience.



GianCarmen said:
Nintendo is fine. These doom threads really need to stop. I loved Skyward Sword. The Wii U just came out and its awesome and its future is bright. We all need to just calm down.


Oh believe me... he already made a dozen of them. I have my doubts his concern is Nintendo's well beeing.

 

On topic, Nintendo is doing well. They have positioned themselves well strategically on the home console market and have a solid position in the portable market with the 3DS dominating. Their games still sell many millions aswell. If you ask me, a marketeer, they are in a good position for the foreseable future.



TheTux94 said:
Wander_ said:
Fire Shigeru Miyamoto hes holding Nintendo back with his kid friendly crap. And just make him a game director not in charge of what goes and what doesn't.

He is retiring from Nintendo this year if I'm not wrong.

That was a mistranslated article from what I can remember.  I believe it was something about transitioning into a different role.



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I don't know who hated skyward sword, but I'd imagine they didn't play it full through. It was an excellent game, probably my favorite Zelda, gameplay design-wise, to date.



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OceanJ said:

The declining trend for 3DS in the U.S. and Europe seems to be why most investors predict Nintendo will eventually become a Software only company like Sega.

There will always be a market for a dedicated handheld gaming console, but as Smart-Phones & Tablets trend upwards and iOS & Android gaming improve, the dedicated handheld console market decreases.

To be fair to Nintendo, they have been saying that for about a decade.

It will be interesting to see if or when anyone in mobile gaming can develop a steady foothold.  Zynga does not seem to be doing so well.  I know they are not the only player, but they are a big one.



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Switch - Super Mario Maker 2 (2019)
3DS - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Trilogy) (2005/2014)
Mobile - Yugioh Duel Links (2017)
Mobile - Super Mario Run (2017)
PC - Deep Rock Galactic (2020)
PC - Command & Conquer Remastered Collection (1995/1996/2020)