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KHlover on 29 December 2012
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How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

That's a pretty harsh thing to claim without any evidence. I do not know US law, but torturing animals is illegal in Germany. You claim they would commit a crime in front of a TV camera (the camera team must have seen the whole procedure) ? That's a bit desperate.



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Max King of the Wild on 29 December 2012
zero129 said:
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Why would i not be fine with owning a dog?. Clearly you yourself must be trying to project something but im not sure what it is? that you have a secret liking for Disney movies since you brought them up about 2 or 3 times now?.

When did i say animals are going to bust out and start singing please do show me?. I said just cos an animal cant talk doesnt mean it cant think thoughts and unless you can show me something showing this statement to be false how can you tell me i am wrong?.

As an animal owner i know my pet can think.

Also my dogs breed is older then you or me and as a dog owner i never breeded my dog into anything so i dont see how things people did 100's of years ago has any effect on me now. Its not the same thing in the least as like you said yourself if alot of the dogs today wasnt looked after they would die. they are not being breed to be killed.

My comments have been mostly directed at your projecting human thought and emotions on to animals. Your first said your dog cares about you  and if I had a dog i would know that... well I don't have a dog anymore but I had a doberman and now I have 3 cats. I love my cats they are friendly. But the only reason they care at all is because A. our ancestors made them. and B. they know where their food comes from. Animals aren't capable of higher thought that you make them out to have. They have basic desires and instincts such as reproducing and surviving. My comment about the wolves was because you asked why your dog cares about you but at one point yor dog was just like those wolves. They didn't once sa "we like humans lets live alonside them" we broke them like the animals they were to not care about being wild beasts anymore. You support breeding animals as pets but not food? That's very hypocritical. A pet is just a slave to keep you happy. Nothing more. As for the Disney comments is because your comments really have a tone that you think to the contrary of my above statements. You make it seem like animals have a higher thought process... therefore I brought it to an extreme. You said they once had friends, well I'm sorry but the only time I saw animals being all chummy with each other is in a Disney movie.

 

See how they hug each other once let free?. Im pretty sure if i take the time i can find videos of Dogs ssaving other dogs lifes when the is no need to (Or could they be friends?) and well lots of videos can be found of animals playing and carring for each other.

All im saying is how to you know what an Animal is thinking?, How do you know they have no basic higher thought = to babys for some and maybe kids for others?.

How do you know this is not true?.



You say "how to you know what an animal is thinking" yet you claim to know full well what they are thinking. Youre a hypocrite. How do I know they have no higher thoughts than basical survival? Bause of their brains size



KHlover on 29 December 2012
zero129 said:
KHlover said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

That's a pretty harsh thing to claim without any evidence. I do not know US law, but torturing animals is illegal in Germany. You claim they would commit a crime in front of a TV camera (the camera team must have seen the whole procedure) ? That's a bit desperate.

The is bad things done in front of News cams to humans lots of times and pretty much all the times in some cases that we dont hear about so what makes you think it would be any different here?. You really need to open your eyes to the news and the Media and the lies they do show you..

There's a difference between a bad thing and an outright crime. But yeah, the media can't be trusted, most animal rights groups included. Just like I posted a few pages before, both sides want to manipulate you.



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the2real4mafol on 29 December 2012
dahuman said:
the2real4mafol said:
dahuman said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

I just find it funny how mentally weak modern people are to stuff like that in general especially if you look at the comment section lol. It really isn't something new, I wonder what they do with the blood though, blood is really tasty if prepped correctly, I'd hate to waste any good food source at all.

Yeah it was a little disgusting, but it didn't bother me too much, people just like to think they are better and more civilised than the past, but we really aren't. But we people today could learn some things from the native tribes ways, they used every part of the animal pretty much and got a wide range of uses. skins for clothing, meat for food etc.


You mean like the Chinese people? Other than the illegal shit like making milk out from tires LOL! I hope the fucking owner got executed on that one. Gotta love the Chinese though, nothing on an animal goes wasted other than actual wastes aka piles of shit. I'll eat them down to the bone marrows lol.

If only more people were like that, then there might be no need for a rubbish tip



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OceanJ on 29 December 2012

Bacon tastes good.



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NolSinkler on 30 December 2012

Really? We eat them because they are delicious and we are more powerful than they are. Very simple.



Mnementh on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:

See how they hug each other once let free?. Im pretty sure if i take the time i can find videos of Dogs ssaving other dogs lifes when the is no need to (Or could they be friends?) and well lots of videos can be found of animals playing and carring for each other.

Nice. They are so friendly to each other. The friendly chimpanzees:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1880229,00.html

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10329-007-0062-1

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/pii/S0960982207008019

So, chimpanzees hunt other apes (and eat them), they even hunt other chimpanzees and they use self-made weapons to do that. Yes, they are very human-like: they kill.

To change your dog that it doesn't do that, if not ordered by humans, our ancestors breed it to be an obedient slave. As you always compare humans and animals: how would you like human pets, breeded and tamed to be obedient slaves?

If you really think, using animals breeded for slavery for your joy is OK, but eating animals is not, then I think you didn't really have thought that matter through.

And get me right: I don't say vegans are wrong and should eat meat. But you should not claim, that people eating meat doing something wrong and should stop, if you didn't really thought that matter through to it's ends.



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NobleTeam360 on 30 December 2012

One question how would you handle the overpopulation of common domesticated animals?



Majora on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
So i guess i win then and you accept that i was right max and that animals can think and are conscious just like us?
been awhile now and nothing from you. bit hard to disagree with science i guess...


It's like your goal is to antagonise. I can't say what I want too in case you report me so I'll leave it there. This thread on the most part is lunacy.



Porcupine_I on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 



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