What in the hell? Are we really below all the other animals on the planet? Lions, bears, tigers, etc. kill and eat other animals in a very brutal and painful way (we humans try to make it quick and painless, though of course, we're the bad guys), yet somehow we should all be vegitarians because it's unnatural for us to do what's natural for other species at the top of the food chain? Maybe we should make all the other carnivores on the planet become peaceful little emaciated vegetarians. Hey mr. lion, would you like a nice salad with organic, vegan, non GMO, gluten free granola dressing? How about we put that on a hemp plate for you and garnish it with planetary peace and oneness?

If you want to be a weak, under-nurished vegan or vegitarian be my guest, good for you... but don't try to guilt other people into that lifestyle. By the way, my wife worked at a daycare and had 3 different vegan families and 1 vegitarian family, they were the most malnourished, skinny, weak, sickly kids in her class (vegans were the worst looking). Believe it or not, we actually NEED the protiens found in meat, especially during development. Sure it's possible to eat too much meat, but that doesn't mean meat is bad.

No but they still hunted and killed animals. Slavery you say? what is classified as slavery when a animal lacks the ability to reason?

On April 24, 2001, during an anti-fur demonstration at Somerset Mall in Troy, I had a confrontation with a motorist who stopped his vehicle to offer me a $20 donation. When I approached the car to accept the donation, he pulled the money back and laughed. So I spit on his passenger seat. He drove away but came back a few minutes later in an attempt to spit on me. He missed and took off. I chased his car around 100 yards down 16 Mile Road. After I stopped chasing, he made a u-turn and drove up to a nearby parking lot. I ran towards him, removing my shirt, and challenging him to a fight. He was visibly scared and begged me not to do anything. I obliged, only wanting to scare him in the first place. He got in his car and started laughing. So I kicked in his car door. I kicked the door so hard it took me a few seconds to remove my foot from the crater. When the police showed up, they said they couldn't arrest me because they didn't witness the incident. They issued me a civil citation for the door damage and let me go back to the demo. Around 10 minutes later, the officers told me there was a warrant out for my arrest for an "undisclosed incident" in Detroit. This was utter nonsense. But since the police always get their way, I was arrested. By the way, I'll bet my life that the motorist who messed with me never heckled another demonstrator again.

This is the guy you choose to listen to? Sounds like a fucking douchebag lying ass hole to me. "i took off my shirt and challenged him to fight... but I only wanted to scare him. If he took up my challenge I would have said "woah dude I'm just being super aggressive to you to scare you I don't want to fight"" (lol yeah right)

As far as stuck-up, holier than thou fan groups go, I would say...

1. Vegans/Vegitarians
2. Die Hard Apple/Mac fans
3. Organic-only people
4. PC Gamer Master Race

I have friends in all of these groups, and they can all be very annoying when they get on their soapbox. Most people who fall into these catagories are not content to just live their life, they have to make you feel like you're wrong, evil, or inferior for not joining their ranks.

I find it's best to approach them with humor or just change the damn subject. :P

"After a 30-second stand-off in which I told the cop to "go draw your gun on the trainer who beats elephants with the hook", I dropped the hook and said, "What's your problem?" The officer asked me why I was protesting with the hook. I explained how the circus was an animal-slavery enterprise, and drew the analogy to hundreds of years of slavery in America. He responded: "Black slaves had it good in America because it was poor in Africa and they were being fed here." I couldn't believe my ears so I asked him to repeat the statement. He reiterated it verbatim. So I took my hook and walked away, refusing to waste my breath on such a racist. Cut to the following day's protest when six police cars surrounded my vehicle after the demo and wouldn't allow me to leave. They demanded to see my ID. I asked if I was under arrest or under investigation for something. They said, "No." I said, "Well, this isn't India circa 1899 and I don't have to present ID upon demand without a valid reason." But I tossed one of my business cards at them saying, "Everyone is entitled to one of these." Five of the cop cars left. One, with four black officers, stayed. As I looked into my rearview mirror, I could see they were punching my name into the computer. This was pure harassment, and I couldn't keep silent any longer. I yelled, "Hey black officers!" to make sure I had their undivided attention. They all looked up simultaneously. I said, "You remember what happened to me yesterday? When the cop drew his gun on me. I know you heard about it." They nodded their heads affirmatively. I continued: "I want you to know what your boy, your brethren, told me. He said that 'black slaves had it good in America because it was poor in Africa and they were being fed here.' " Then I said, "Can you fucking believe that?" All four officers jumped out of the car and arrested me for swearing."

I hope this guy comes across a hungry wolf in the woods

well we did discover fire so we started cooking our food.  Cooking and/or freezing will rupture cellulose cells and break it down hence no need for our bodies to produce chemicals to break it down like cows do for example.

Also if you read my previous post I am not against eating meat as I to eat it, but there is a lot of posts that show people didnt watch the video and just throw out their reasons as counter arguments why we need meat.

In all honesty I really think it comes down to taste and nothing more as we could easily get suppliments from other sources that will provide us with all the neutirents we need.

Even the whole majority of vegans look like death warmed up is false, as I know a fair few fat vegans out there. Carbs also makes you fat. so if they eating alot of rice and potatoes instead o their greens they can get pretty big.

You believe everything he said? I’ve seen less propaganda in a nazi poste. Nothing but half truths to match what he wants to get cross.

I'm not going to watch the damn video, because the man who presents the info is such a lying piece of trash (yes, I've seen his crap before, I know somebody who is a stuck up, tree-hugging vegan who attempted to get me to join his ranks and showed me this loon, just do a little reasearch on this nutcase's background). No. I can only speak to the fact that at the daycare, you could ALWAYS pick out the vegan kids, they looked sickly and awful and their parents didn't look much better. I've yet to meet a healthy looking vegan. Vegetarians can at least get usable protien from eggs, milk, etc.

This thread is making my manliness hurt. I'm going to go eat a delicious ham sandwich now.

To the fire-thing: It is wrong. First, we discovered fire late, it had no real effect on evolution yet. Second, do you cook fruits? Can you digest grass or leafs if you cook them? That's what it is about. Our far ancestors (apes) could eat grass or leafs, but our more recent ancestors lost this ability and the part of the digesting system reduced to the appendix in evolution. Apes came never near to cows in digesting plants. Cows have multiple  stomachs and regurgitate the stuff after some time to chew and swallow it again. That is needed, because plants are much harder to digest - normally. The exception is the stuff we can eat: fruits, nuts etc. Fruits evolved to be good digestable, so that animals eat them and bring the seeds far away. Other than that plants are harder to digest than meat.

To the video: I can't see the video, because I'm german and some music isn't licensed, so the video is blocked in germany. So I don't answer to the video, but to some claims here, like yours.

Yes, I agree, we can live from a vegan diet and get all the stuff we need. Only thing that has to be considered is Vitamin B12: take pills here or eat stuff like Sauerkraut, where bacteria produced the vitamin.

I know that the thing about looking like death is anecdotal. there are vegans that are malnourished, but there are also meat-eaters that are malnourished.

his bio on his organizations webpage is a good place to start.

http://www.adaptt.org/bio.html

He is uneducated first of all. Why do I say this? When you go to school for biology whos your teacher? A biology professor. Philosophy? Philosophy teacher. History? A history instructor. How about veganism? A journalist? LOL What? The guy only has a BA in journalism. First of all the people I listed most likely have a masters or PhD and majored in their respective fields. This guy wants to educate on veganism and be taken seriously he should probably get his masters in Agriculture or Biology. You know, something that has to do with his lectures. Also, going by his bio page he is a poor journalist.