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Convinced yet?

Yes 94 50.81%
 
No 89 48.11%
 
Total:183

Launch games are at least on par with the current gen versions. Since they're launch games, the development and porting process of those titles was rushed to meet the really short deadline.

So if I were you, I'd take any comparison article with a grain of salt.

The Wii U is more powerful and will offer visuals not possible on the current gen consoles. Even if it won't be leaps ahead.



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Yeah, to show a marked improvment over the last gen systems, a game will need a lot of effort put into it. Halo 4 cost what... $40 million? It's going to take at least that much or more to make a game that looks even better. No 3rd party is going to put that into game that is selling to an audience of 1-5 million systems. Nintendo doesn't need to, since NSMB and NintendoLand will sell the system and are fun without spending that cash. The next wave will come and will look impressive, and will be selling to a much larger install base next year.

Kameo is such a bad example. It was easy to take a Hi-def game, put a little effort into it, and make it look better than a SD game. Current games are beautiful. It will be huge projects making games look better than Halo 4 or Uncharted. I would suggest most next gen games won't look much better than current gen simply because developers don't have the resources. Only the big games will wow you.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
kitler53 said:

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your video aren't showing up for me.  but i'll wager you are showing off bad looking launch games.   ..in general those exists.  

Call Duty 2 ps2 and 360.  not much difference.

...but every other launch has a least 1 game that makes you go wow.  for the 360 it was kameo.  got to 3:43 where the reviewer states "kameo is really a showcase for the xbox 360 so if you've been wondering whether next generation games are really going to look all that much better the answer is yes if kameo is any indication".

so does wiiU have a kameo?  is there even 1 game for the wiiU that will make me go wow?  i'd love for you to show me that game.  one would like zombieU would be that game ... but it isn't.

But why do graphics have to be the only source of greatness or progress? I think Kameo is actually a bad example, because while it looked gorgeous it wasn't a terrific experience gameplay wise. A generational leap need not be limited only to graphics.


i suppose because the OP is "wiiU is NOT weaker than ps360" instead of "wiiU is NOT less fun than ps360". 

i agree graphics are not the only metric for progress but i do firmly believe power is an important one.  3D perspectives, sandbox games, massively interactive environments (think AC) are all gameplay elements specifically enabled by power.  

i don't know if you are a fan of sucker punch but play sly cooper on the ps2 and infamous on the ps3 ... they have a very similar core gameplay mechanic but infamous multiplies it 100 fold in an open world environment.  infamous is an amazingly fun gameplay enabled completely by raw power.

why i came to hate the wii (was nintendo only from NES to GC) was games played very "last generation" to me.  while i have no idea what new innovations will come with more power i do know once i have them i won't want to go back to "dated", "last generation" gameplay.  that's why it is so important to me that wiiU is a true generational enhancement.  

i remain unconvinced.



HD Wii with a tablet. Not impressed.



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DanneSandin said:
kitler53 said:

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your video aren't showing up for me.  but i'll wager you are showing off bad looking launch games.   ..in general those exists.  

Call Duty 2 ps2 and 360.  not much difference.

...but every other launch has a least 1 game that makes you go wow.  for the 360 it was kameo.  got to 3:43 where the reviewer states "kameo is really a showcase for the xbox 360 so if you've been wondering whether next generation games are really going to look all that much better the answer is yes if kameo is any indication".

so does wiiU have a kameo?  is there even 1 game for the wiiU that will make me go wow?  i'd love for you to show me that game.  one would think zombieU would be that game being exclusively built for wiiU and all ... but it isn't.

Haha LoL! CoD 2 and 3 actually were the games I picked yes :p

Kameo was developed by Rare, so it's a first party game. And first party games on the Wii U is developed by... Nintendo. And we all know they don't care too much about graphics, so I think that's the problem. And ZombiU isn't a showcase for a number of reasons. I think (well, I hope) that Bayo2 will be able to wow HD-players! Or at least go, "not bad!". I understand and agree that right now, there isn't anything graphically to convince HD-gamers to pick up the Wii U, except game play. But it should be clear that Wii U at least isn't weaker.

to bold - i conceded that in my first post.  i am fully convinced the wiiU is not weaker than the ps360. 

to underline - it looks like you agree to my point too.  sounds like we are on the same page overall.

i'd still say i'm one of the biggest haters on this site and i remain unconvinced about the wiiU.  at this point i think the only thing that can change my mind is MSony announcing their next gen hardware and it not living up to my expectations of how much more power is provided.  if they are also underpowered than i'll probably change my tune.  i'll be pissed as hell but that's a different thread..



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Hynad said:

Launch games are at least on par with the current gen versions. Since they're launch games, the development and porting process of those titles was rushed to meet the really short deadline.

So if I were you, I'd take any comparison article with a grain of salt.


The Wii U is more powerful and will offer visuals not possible on the current gen consoles. Even if it won't be leaps ahead.

^ what he said. Also take into consideration its duo screen. Super Sized 3DS. PS3 and Xbox 360 cannot do that for shit.



kitler53 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
kitler53 said:

...


your video aren't showing up for me.  but i'll wager you are showing off bad looking launch games.   ..in general those exists.  

Call Duty 2 ps2 and 360.  not much difference.

...but every other launch has a least 1 game that makes you go wow.  for the 360 it was kameo.  got to 3:43 where the reviewer states "kameo is really a showcase for the xbox 360 so if you've been wondering whether next generation games are really going to look all that much better the answer is yes if kameo is any indication".

so does wiiU have a kameo?  is there even 1 game for the wiiU that will make me go wow?  i'd love for you to show me that game.  one would like zombieU would be that game ... but it isn't.

But why do graphics have to be the only source of greatness or progress? I think Kameo is actually a bad example, because while it looked gorgeous it wasn't a terrific experience gameplay wise. A generational leap need not be limited only to graphics.


i suppose because the OP is "wiiU is NOT weaker than ps360" instead of "wiiU is NOT less fun than ps360". 

i agree graphics are the only metric for progress but i do firmly believe power is an important one.  3D perspectives, sandbox games, massively interactive environments (think AC) are all gameplay elements specifically enabled by power.  

i don't know if you are a fan of sucker punch but play sly cooper on the ps2 and infamous on the ps3 ... they have a very similar core gameplay mechanic but infamous multiplies it 100 fold in an open world environment.  infamous is an amazingly fun gameplay enabled completely by raw power.

why i came to hate the wii (was nintendo only from NES to GC) was games played very "last generation" to me.  while i have no idea what new innovations will come with more power i do know once i have them i won't want to go back to "dated", "last generation" gameplay.  that's why it is so important to me that wiiU is a true generational enhancement.  

i remain unconvinced.

kitler, when did you start hating the Wii and become a PS3 fan?....I´ve been here since January 2008, but I can´t remember if you were still pro Wii around that time.



kitler53 said:
DanneSandin said:
kitler53 said:

...


your video aren't showing up for me.  but i'll wager you are showing off bad looking launch games.   ..in general those exists.  

Call Duty 2 ps2 and 360.  not much difference.

...but every other launch has a least 1 game that makes you go wow.  for the 360 it was kameo.  got to 3:43 where the reviewer states "kameo is really a showcase for the xbox 360 so if you've been wondering whether next generation games are really going to look all that much better the answer is yes if kameo is any indication".

so does wiiU have a kameo?  is there even 1 game for the wiiU that will make me go wow?  i'd love for you to show me that game.  one would think zombieU would be that game being exclusively built for wiiU and all ... but it isn't.

Haha LoL! CoD 2 and 3 actually were the games I picked yes :p

Kameo was developed by Rare, so it's a first party game. And first party games on the Wii U is developed by... Nintendo. And we all know they don't care too much about graphics, so I think that's the problem. And ZombiU isn't a showcase for a number of reasons. I think (well, I hope) that Bayo2 will be able to wow HD-players! Or at least go, "not bad!". I understand and agree that right now, there isn't anything graphically to convince HD-gamers to pick up the Wii U, except game play. But it should be clear that Wii U at least isn't weaker.

to bold - i conceded that in my first post.  i am fully convinced the wiiU is not weaker than the ps360. 

to underline - it looks like you agree to my point too.  sounds like we are on the same page overall.

i'd still say i'm one of the biggest haters on this site and i remain unconvinced about the wiiU.  at this point i think the only thing that can change my mind is MSony announcing their next gen hardware and it not living up to my expectations of how much more power is provided.  if they are also underpowered than i'll probably change my tune.  i'll be pissed as hell but that's a different thread..

Guess we are ^^

What kind of leap are you imagening/hoping it'll be? I'm not convinced it'll be a major leap. Not like PS2 to PS3.



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kitler53 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
kitler53 said:

But why do graphics have to be the only source of greatness or progress? I think Kameo is actually a bad example, because while it looked gorgeous it wasn't a terrific experience gameplay wise. A generational leap need not be limited only to graphics.


i suppose because the OP is "wiiU is NOT weaker than ps360" instead of "wiiU is NOT less fun than ps360". 

i agree graphics are the only metric for progress but i do firmly believe power is an important one.  3D perspectives, sandbox games, massively interactive environments (think AC) are all gameplay elements specifically enabled by power.  

i don't know if you are a fan of sucker punch but play sly cooper on the ps2 and infamous on the ps3 ... they have a very similar core gameplay mechanic but infamous multiplies it 100 fold in an open world environment.  infamous is an amazingly fun gameplay enabled completely by raw power.

why i came to hate the wii (was nintendo only from NES to GC) was games played very "last generation" to me.  while i have no idea what new innovations will come with more power i do know once i have them i won't want to go back to "dated", "last generation" gameplay.  that's why it is so important to me that wiiU is a true generational enhancement.  

i remain unconvinced.

OK, those are fair points. I disagree about the Wii, but I appreciate your opinion on the matter -- I think many video game players hold the Wii in low regard.

I'm ambivalent about horsepower when it comes to video games, because while I acknowledge technological advances allow for newer (or at least expanded) mechanics, more sophisticated AI, more realistic physics, etc., I worry that such a huge emphasis on graphics is bad for the industry and bad for gamers. Great graphics cannot transform a lousy game into a great one; but great gameplay can rescue a lousy-looking game.



Does it matter how much better the graphics are? Your just adding fuel to the fire when the ps4 and nextbox comes out, surly a game can be enjoyed without brilliant graphics!