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BuckStud said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
Fantastic article. Very true as well. Just look at the meta scores on the games this year. They are higher on average then 3ds. But gamers don't care about the quality of games just the sales.. Apparently. (3ds has a fantastic library just taking the piss out of the vita haters.. Who will come in force)


I own pretty much all the systems.  I have all current and last gen systems among many other before them.  The one thing I see as I read topics on all the systems is that rarely does a person who prefers the 3DS over Vita cause trouble in Vita topics.  Sadly, I cannot same the same for the people who prefer the Vita.  Seems like every topic on VGC, IGN etc... that are 3DS specific have endless comments from Vita fans as to how much the 3DS sucks.  I just don't understand the hatered that people have towards a specific brand.  What has those companies done to them?  One thing I know is that most biased post come from peopel with user id's like yours....

Did you read what I just wrote? Are you serious? 
When did I bash Nintendo?.. i didn't. I have stated God know how many times I want a 3DSxl. What the hell is wrong with you? Read what people wrote before you comment in future.



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RolStoppable said:
forevercloud3000 said:

The link in question was brought up in relation to our discussion about who 3DS and Vita should/are being compared to. The article shows an obvious comparison between the two, with one being the better, yet the scores of both do not reflect that. By reading the review we see they did exactly what Baramu speaks of in the OP.

"His opinion of the 3DS is disgusting"

What opinion? I fail to see where he directly mentions 3DS for anything other than for contrast sake of what is being done to VIta. Never in a bad light does he bring it up. Did I miss some sort of subliminal message that screams "I HATE NINTENDORKS" or something or is my dislexia acting up again?

(...)

 

For example, make sure the same criteria apply when reviewing 3DS games as when reviewing Vita games. Even if you excuse last-gen mediocrity and visual lacklustery for one system because you have such fond memories of playing virtually the same games a decade ago, surely you can still appreciate the advanced and forward looking approach in the other system?

However, please realise that your professional opinions do have an influence on the success of the system. I’m sure you know how it all works. Do you really want to live in a world where handheld gamers can only choose between rehashes of Mario games and Angry Birds?

There you go, he is very dismissive of the 3DS. This is material that qualifies as bannable offense on these forums, because it's pretty much standard trolling to label Nintendo hardware as "last gen" and reducing Nintendo's software output to "Mario rehashes". The world isn't going to end, if the Vita fails. Handheld gaming will continue to be varied with or without Sony.

As for the rest of your post which I deleted, I know of the principle of "truth through repetition". Nintendo has been brandmarked with countless stereotypes over the years. However, Nintendo has also shown that it's possible to succeed despite all the lies that are flying around, so the gaming media's influence isn't really significant.

Mediocrity refers to being ordinary, unoriginal, common place.

Lets be honest with ourselves here, what he states, while sounding kind of harsh, is totally true. Mario is on itteration what.....24? not including the blatent spin offs. How many re-releases and slight tweaks have there been?Far too many to count. Zelda/Metroid are no where near as bad but Nintendo has a tendency to take a game that was good and run with it forever. Need I say more than Pokemon? The series has made less than incremental improvements since it started and has put out almost just as many games as Mario, in half the time, partly due to the fact they always release in TWO's(then the mega release shortly after).  Someone earlier in this thread(or another, can't remember) was telling me that although LBP PSVita is quoted multiple times as "best in the series", it is currently the lowest rated, they said that made sense because a series loses luster after a few entries and unless you do something COMPLETELY radical points will decrease little by little. Well when I heard this I could not help but think of Mario and the bajilion almost identical entries and then say to myself "WHAT?!".

Are these games still fun?Yes, but doesn't change the fact the formula barely ever changes outside of predictable additions.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
RolStoppable said:
forevercloud3000 said:

The link in question was brought up in relation to our discussion about who 3DS and Vita should/are being compared to. The article shows an obvious comparison between the two, with one being the better, yet the scores of both do not reflect that. By reading the review we see they did exactly what Baramu speaks of in the OP.

"His opinion of the 3DS is disgusting"

What opinion? I fail to see where he directly mentions 3DS for anything other than for contrast sake of what is being done to VIta. Never in a bad light does he bring it up. Did I miss some sort of subliminal message that screams "I HATE NINTENDORKS" or something or is my dislexia acting up again?

(...)

 

For example, make sure the same criteria apply when reviewing 3DS games as when reviewing Vita games. Even if you excuse last-gen mediocrity and visual lacklustery for one system because you have such fond memories of playing virtually the same games a decade ago, surely you can still appreciate the advanced and forward looking approach in the other system?

However, please realise that your professional opinions do have an influence on the success of the system. I’m sure you know how it all works. Do you really want to live in a world where handheld gamers can only choose between rehashes of Mario games and Angry Birds?

There you go, he is very dismissive of the 3DS. This is material that qualifies as bannable offense on these forums, because it's pretty much standard trolling to label Nintendo hardware as "last gen" and reducing Nintendo's software output to "Mario rehashes". The world isn't going to end, if the Vita fails. Handheld gaming will continue to be varied with or without Sony.

As for the rest of your post which I deleted, I know of the principle of "truth through repetition". Nintendo has been brandmarked with countless stereotypes over the years. However, Nintendo has also shown that it's possible to succeed despite all the lies that are flying around, so the gaming media's influence isn't really significant.

Mediocrity refers to being ordinary, unoriginal, common place.

Lets be honest with ourselves here, what he states, while sounding kind of harsh, is totally true. Mario is on itteration what.....24? not including the blatent spin offs. How many re-releases and slight tweaks have there been?Far too many to count. Zelda/Metroid are no where near as bad but Nintendo has a tendency to take a game that was good and run with it forever. Need I say more than Pokemon? The series has made less than incremental improvements since it started and has put out almost just as many games as Mario, in half the time, partly due to the fact they always release in TWO's(then the mega release shortly after).  Someone earlier in this thread(or another, can't remember) was telling me that although LBP PSVita is quoted multiple times as "best in the series", it is currently the lowest rated, they said that made sense because a series loses luster after a few entries and unless you do something COMPLETELY radical points will decrease little by little. Well when I heard this I could not help but think of Mario and the bajilion almost identical entries and then say to myself "WHAT?!".

Are these games still fun?Yes, but doesn't change the fact the formula barely ever changes outside of predictable additions.

Mediocrity does not mean normal/ordinary, it means unacceptable/unsatisfactory.

Also, despite there being about a dozen ore Mario titles, the original game, Mario 3, Mario 64, and Mario Galaxy represent landmarks in videogame innovation and excellence. It is why the series is so highly regarded and successful.



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Jumpin said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Mediocrity refers to being ordinary, unoriginal, common place.

Lets be honest with ourselves here, what he states, while sounding kind of harsh, is totally true. Mario is on itteration what.....24? not including the blatent spin offs. How many re-releases and slight tweaks have there been?Far too many to count. Zelda/Metroid are no where near as bad but Nintendo has a tendency to take a game that was good and run with it forever. Need I say more than Pokemon? The series has made less than incremental improvements since it started and has put out almost just as many games as Mario, in half the time, partly due to the fact they always release in TWO's(then the mega release shortly after).  Someone earlier in this thread(or another, can't remember) was telling me that although LBP PSVita is quoted multiple times as "best in the series", it is currently the lowest rated, they said that made sense because a series loses luster after a few entries and unless you do something COMPLETELY radical points will decrease little by little. Well when I heard this I could not help but think of Mario and the bajilion almost identical entries and then say to myself "WHAT?!".

Are these games still fun?Yes, but doesn't change the fact the formula barely ever changes outside of predictable additions.


Mediocrity does not mean normal/ordinary, it means unacceptable/unsatisfactory.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mediocre

me·di·o·cre   (md-kr)

adj.
Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.


      

      

      

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RolStoppable said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Mediocrity refers to being ordinary, unoriginal, common place.

Lets be honest with ourselves here, what he states, while sounding kind of harsh, is totally true. Mario is on itteration what.....24? not including the blatent spin offs. How many re-releases and slight tweaks have there been?Far too many to count. Zelda/Metroid are no where near as bad but Nintendo has a tendency to take a game that was good and run with it forever. Need I say more than Pokemon? The series has made less than incremental improvements since it started and has put out almost just as many games as Mario, in half the time, partly due to the fact they always release in TWO's(then the mega release shortly after).  Someone earlier in this thread(or another, can't remember) was telling me that although LBP PSVita is quoted multiple times as "best in the series", it is currently the lowest rated, they said that made sense because a series loses luster after a few entries and unless you do something COMPLETELY radical points will decrease little by little. Well when I heard this I could not help but think of Mario and the bajilion almost identical entries and then say to myself "WHAT?!".

Are these games still fun?Yes, but doesn't change the fact the formula barely ever changes outside of predictable additions.

If we count all Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Land games, then NSMB2 is iteration #9 overall and the fourth on handhelds. Pokémon has hit generation 5 with Black/White, so if you want to count Yellow and others separately (although you shouldn't with the exception of Black/White 2), it would amount to ten games.

NSMB2's Metascore is below 80, so the game got treated just as harsh, maybe even harsher, than LBP Vita.

What he stated is true, provided we ignore reality. But should we?

Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario Land, Super Mario World, Super Mario Land 2:6 Golden Coins, Super Mario World 2:Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, New Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros 2, soon to have Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario bros WiiU

I count 17 Marios, not including the spin-offs.

I count 20 Pokemon games according to this list... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_video_games#Main_handheld_series



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:

And Media and Critics are very important to the survival of merchandise. There is a few well known tricks in advertising and market warfare. Its the same tactic politicians and the government use on the regular to sway opinion. If you say something enough people start to believe it. Once they do, its hard to get it out of their heads.Its a tactic that has been used time and time again and proves quite effective.  If it isn't stomped out immediately it stands a chance of becoming a self fullfilling prophecy. AKA...

 

  • Developers have to go multiplatform in order to make any money
  • Japanese Developers are inferior to American Developers
  • PS3 is too expensive.
  • PS3 has no games.
  • 3DS is Doomed
  • Mobile Phones are taking over Handheld Market
  • 3DS has no Games
  • Vita is Doomed
  • Vita has no Games

 

How are half of those self-fulfilling prophecies? The PS3 has games, the 3DS is not doomed, and there are still profitable exclusives.

You make it sound like critics owe it to Sony to try to help sell their system or something. They don't.

 

 

Naninho said:

RolStoppable said:

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [Indie = Low quality] bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [Bigger developer = High quality] bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [Indie = Overrated] bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [Sound Shapes? Never played it] bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla  bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [Games I played > Sound Shapes (in terms of everything)] bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla 

Man, your conclusions are staggering.

Now, seriously. Shut the fuck up and play some Indie games! Braid, Cave Story, Fez, Flower, Journey, Limbo, Sound Shapes, Super Meat Boy, World of Goo. You're missing a lot...

Frankly, I'd say none of those games are good. Indie games ARE generally lower quality than their bigger brothers and frequently get free passes simply for being Indie or for having unconventional visual styles. If any of those games were put out by a major dev they wouldn't have gotten half the acclaim, because the bar is higher for non-Indie games.



RolStoppable said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario Land, Super Mario World, Super Mario Land 2:6 Golden Coins, Super Mario World 2:Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, New Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros 2, soon to have Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario bros WiiU

I count 17 Marios, not including the spin-offs.

I count 20 Pokemon games according to this list... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_video_games#Main_handheld_series

There, I helped you out. You set the conditions and said "no blatant spinoffs". NSMB2 is #9 on the list, the fourth on a handheld, just like I said. On a sidenote, Super Mario 3D Land was already released in November 2011. Oh, and you are missing a spinoff I expected to on your list as well: Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land.

As for Pokémon, you get 20 games if you count each version as a separate game and include the remakes. But, for example, Red and Blue are the same game aside from about 15 Pokémon that are exclusive to only one of the two versions. But maps, dungeons, puzzles etc. are otherwise identical. Yellow is largely the same game as well; it's not a sequel, but rather a special edition of Red/Blue. The same applies to the Gold/Silver and Crystal combo. Here's a breakdown:

5 mainline games: Red/Blue, Gold/Silver, Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White
5 special editions: Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, Black/White 2 (the last two can be counted as sequel)
2 remakes: Firered/Leafgreen, Heartgold/Soulsilver (Why Leafgreen? Because the original versions in Japan were Red/Green.)

EDIT: Crossing out didn't work. The Mario spinoffs are: Mario Bros. (well, more of a separate game actually), Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy 1+2, Super Mario 3D Land.

For one Mario series of games I named are all in a continuous series where none of them are treated as spin offs, according to Wiki. Those are the mainline series and they put the true spinoffs like Mario Kart seperate. For example, Mario Kart 7 is on the 3DS and 8 will probably be on WiiU, the console doesn't depict their position in the series. Not to mention they are all based on the same rudimentary platforming mechanics.Same goes for Pokemon. I do not count them as groups because they actaully expect people to buy each iteration, and they do. Just because all the imagine games come out at the same time really doesn't make them less of a series. Regardless, the number is astronomical in comparison to most other series.

Main point being, he was right to call it mediocre because so many games in the same line with similar playstyles makes them nothing new.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
 

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1) Same goes for Pokemon. I do not count them as groups because they actaully expect people to buy each iteration, and they do.

(...)

2) Regardless, the number is astronomical in comparison to most other series.

(...)

1) Tell ioi that he's tracking them wrong then.

2) I can't take this argument seriously from a guy with the word Cloud in his username and a Final Fantasy Versus XIII cover in his sig.



RolStoppable said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Yet Eurogamer.net gave...

 

  • New Super Mario Bros. 2 = 8/10
  • Sound Shapes = 7/10

 

That's still favorable for the PSV, because the games aren't close in quality.

You're right. Sound Shapes is 10 times better



Jumpin said:

The 3DS is a system filled with games built from the ground up for the system. The Vita is full of junior versions of home console games that just aren't that good. This is why people are not satisfied with it.


Yeah, no. Just no. Next time you're gonna bash the system either try some games first or do some research and use facts. This is simply inaccurate.