It'd probably be a safe bet to gather sales of all GPU's that could produce on-par graphics to the Wii or higher. Of course, that's a lot of GPU's to count, and a lot of missing sales information you won't be able to find (unless you dig really deep and get lucky).

^ But that's not my problem. Show me the sales!

We'll glance over the marketing part, which I think we both agree on.

As for the software part of point 2, I understand that TP and SMG are top quality games, I won't go into brawl it's another type of title compared to Mario and Zelda, but for the sake of having a good convo let's throw it in, all 3 are top quality games that appeal to core gamers.

However, contrast them now to games like Gears of War, which sold on avg. 6m a piece. The people who bought COD are the people who bought GoW, the same who bought Assassin's Creed, the same for Batman AC/AA. I see that market and the TP/MG/Brawl market as cross-cutting, but more separate than not. A lot of players that like one don't like the other, most of the time.

Do you agree with that point of view? I could understand why you didn't, it is pretty selective. I'm just going by what I understand from the consumers of these products, be it online or at video game stores, even the sales results of multi-platform games (Wii+HD).

he said that the HD twins were a bigger market overall this gen.. I'm saying they'll continue to sell millions upon millions of more units than the wii from here on out.. for the next 2 years..

What about getting the sales of games that were made with graphics hard to downport to Wii, where graphics matter. (shooters esp.)

JWein, where did you get the 2/3 figure from, PS3 and 360 remodels?

This should just become the obvious statement thread.

(No offense, HappyD and Leo.)

Not sure what you're butthurt about

Sure a game with very little resources, done quick and dirty and utilized RE4's engine... an engine first used on Gamecube. Sorry, but that is not a good example.

COD games are still a far better example.

I'm not butthurt about anything...

Superchunk, time to dispel the second aspect of your self-fulfilling prophecy theory.

You mentioned that the HD market sustains sales of core games because 3rd parties created that market.

Now look at two games that cater to that market, one that came out on Wii, the other that came out on the twins. We would expect the launch-window sales to rival the launch-window sales of core market games on other platforms. In this case, let's compare Red Steel to Gears of War.

One ended up selling .5million, the other sold roughly 6m. I'll let you guess which sold what on which platform.

Fast forward a few years.

If your theory were true, here is what I would expect of their sequels. Red Steel stays flat while Gears goes radically up.

Instead, both stay at the same levels. This happens also with Assassin's Creed vs No More Heroes.

I can't argue with your opinion of who buys what (2nd para), and I respect your opinion, as much as you respect mine. But, I will just say that I have been such a gamer that put Nintendo on a pedastal and missed out on games on the other platforms because of that bias. I only broke out of that lately, and I've seen a few on here who have a similar attitude. I'm just pointing this out to show that it exists, whether it's respectable an attitude or not. But I won't push this one until we get more discussion out of it, with time.

For the last para, the exercise then would be to find a game that is of top quality and is a multiplat. One that was released early on in the gen, one later. That would help us see if there truly is a trend and would complement well my last reply to Chunk.

For the marketing para (1), wouldn't you say that MS and Sony more effectively targetted the HD market audience, on the long run?