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Who won the last debate?

President Barack Obama 259 61.96%
 
Governor MItt Romney 115 27.51%
 
Nobody/tie 38 9.09%
 
Total:412

Obama absolutely killed that. Not quite as much of a whitewash as the first debate was, but still a very clear victory for Obama.

He actually pointed out the inconsistencies in Romney's platforms, corrected his errors, was clear about his achievements and future goals, and didn't act apologetic and weak like Romney seemed to be expecting.



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You can tell Obama won by the reactions of Fox News hosts.



If this was a debate based on points and who had the most zingers then it was Obama hands down. But in the overall picture Obama failed to do what was necessary in the eyes of voters and Romney succeeded.


ROOMNEY:

Romney's job in the debate was simply to appear presidential and that he had the competence to be commander in chief. Romney did not have any big flubs, missteps, or major statements that were seen as gaffes. He did what he needed to do and showed that he was up to the task. Romney focused on big picture stuff and didn't get into the weeds much on specifics. There were opportunities that he could have went full force at Obama on the Benghazi attack mess in Libya but he held back. He could have went after Obama on a number of issues in an "attack dog" type manner, but he didn't. In the eyes of undecided voters Romney made himself look presidential. Also Romney went back to economic issues a number of times. In those moments he scored points, because most people knows that the economy is #1 issue this time around.

OBAMA:


As far as Obama he failed to get Romney into any big pitfalls. Anyone who knows about these debates realizes that one key thing a debate person can do is prepare pitfalls for your opponent to fall into. I'm sure Obama had well planned comebacks that he rehearsed regarding Libya, and other foreign policy issues. The thing is Romney ended up agreeing with Obama on a lot of things. In the debate you can tell Obama was a bit frustrated by that and some of Romney's answers. The problem is Obama didn't cause Romney to have any big mess ups. That is what he needed if he was hoping to change the momentum in this race. That did not happen.
Instead he took some swipes at Romney. A couple of those include the comment that he said while he was working on sanctions with Iran that Romney was investing in China. That is one of those low blow petty attacks that only fire up your base. The other one was when he quipped Romney about having fewer bayonets and horses and that we have things called aircraft carriers that planes land on. That statement got a lot of laughs and cheers from his base, but I assure you that not many undecided voters saw that and said, "wow...yeah Romney is a complete dumbass! I'm voting for Obama!" No, that was a petty swipe at Romney's intelligence and it doesn't work on a national stage in a televised debate as much as some in this forum are thinking it did. There were also more factual errors Obama made than Romney made. A couple of the big ones were regarding the Auto Bailouts when Romney argued for a managed bankruptcy and including guarantees. The other was on the troop withdrawal negotiations in Iraq.

CONCLUSION:


Simply put this debate did not change the race like the first debate did. In the first debate Obama barely showed up and in fact Romney caused the Obama campaign to lose all the ground they had made spending millions in attack ads on him. This debate only showed that Romney is a capable commander in chief even if Obama won the debate on points and aggressiveness. The problem for Obama is that Romney mainly kept himself from major pitfalls and made himself look presidential. Obama while had some great zingers on Romney showed himself a bit less presidential in the minds of serious undecideds. Obama did draw some blood on Romney, but it was not enough to change the momentum. There was even a CNN left leaning commentator after the debate that said that Obama won the debate but Romney came away looking presidential.




thismeintiel said:
chocoloco said:

Here is one for the conservatives.

Quite the misleading map.  Especially since the Caspian Sea doesn't exactly lead anywhere.  And if Iran wanted to attack somewhere to make the most impact, like say a modern civilized country (most likely somewhere in EU), they would have to travel all the way around Africa to get there by boat.  Now if they could cut through Syria and make it to the Mediterranean, why EU isn't that far away.  Or hell, they could just cut through Syria and bomb Israel straight out.  Of course, if we have some sort of sway in Syria, we may just be able to prevent either of those.  But I guess Mitt's just dumb to suggest such a thing.

That is actually quite incorrect of you to call so many countries uncivilized along the Caspian Sea which includes Russia. Not mention quite a few other countries that are not Western, but as being so should not be classified as uncivilized. Defending this statement really is just like saying I will approve of anything that a Republican says because I my belief system is aligned so strongly against liberals. This actually is the one statement that shows Romney is the most clueless of the world outside of the USA and Mexican regions.

Anyways, I will use this as an opportunity to show that Romney is wrong in thinking he can create a better standing and reputation with the world by voting for him as he tried to claim so often in the debate.



chocoloco said:

Quite the misleading map.  Especially since the Caspian Sea doesn't exactly lead anywhere.  And if Iran wanted to attack somewhere to make the most impact, like say a modern civilized country (most likely somewhere in EU), they would have to travel all the way around Africa to get there by boat.  Now if they could cut through Syria and make it to the Mediterranean, why EU isn't that far away.  Or hell, they could just cut through Syria and bomb Israel straight out.  Of course, if we have some sort of sway in Syria, we may just be able to prevent either of those.  But I guess Mitt's just dumb to suggest such a thing.

thismeintiel said:
chocoloco said:

Here is one for the conservatives.

 

 

 

That is actually quite incorrect of you to call so many countries uncivilized along the Caspian Sea which includes Russia. Not mention quite a few other countries that are not Western, but as being so should not be classified as uncivilized. Defending this statement really is just like saying I will approve of anything that a Republican says because I my belief system is aligned so strongly against liberals. This actually is the one statement that shows Romney is the most clueless of the world outside of the USA and Mexican regions.



No where did he claim such a thing...



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chocoloco said:
thismeintiel said:
chocoloco said:

 

Anyways, I will use this as an opportunity to show that Romney is wrong in thinking he can create a better standing and reputation with the world by voting for him as he tried to claim so often in the debate.


This poll is useless. Other nation's citizens know little to nothing about our election. Not to mention one third of our foreign aid goes to Israel and Egypt. Neither of which has been listed. 



dsgrue3 said:
chocoloco said:
thismeintiel said:
chocoloco said:

 

Anyways, I will use this as an opportunity to show that Romney is wrong in thinking he can create a better standing and reputation with the world by voting for him as he tried to claim so often in the debate.


This poll is useless. Other nation's citizens know little to nothing about our election. Not to mention one third of our foreign aid goes to Israel and Egypt. Neither of which has been listed. 



itss a very useless poll indeed. theres no way any of those countries can answer the question accuratly until they see both have a chance.



Obama won this debate, and made Romney look like a fool at times. So many quotable memes from Romney these last three debates xD



Obama. He got to talk about all of his foreign policy accomplishments from the past four years (getting bin Laden, ending the war in Iraq, getting ready to end the war in Afghanistan, etc.), and criticized Romney without coming across as too mean. Romney mostly just agreed with Obama, and when he tried to attack Obama fought him off.



Max King of the Wild said:
chocoloco said:

Quite the misleading map.  Especially since the Caspian Sea doesn't exactly lead anywhere.  And if Iran wanted to attack somewhere to make the most impact, like say a modern civilized country (most likely somewhere in EU), they would have to travel all the way around Africa to get there by boat.  Now if they could cut through Syria and make it to the Mediterranean, why EU isn't that far away.  Or hell, they could just cut through Syria and bomb Israel straight out.  Of course, if we have some sort of sway in Syria, we may just be able to prevent either of those.  But I guess Mitt's just dumb to suggest such a thing.

 

That is actually quite incorrect of you to call so many countries uncivilized along the Caspian Sea which includes Russia. Not mention quite a few other countries that are not Western, but as being so should not be classified as uncivilized. Defending this statement really is just like saying I will approve of anything that a Republican says because I my belief system is aligned so strongly against liberals. This actually is the one statement that shows Romney is the most clueless of the world outside of the USA and Mexican regions.

He quite certainly did a lot. You must not have been paying attention. I would look for a transcript or youtube, but I feel know need to waste my time proving things to people that are not open minded to things that go against what they like to believe.

 

 

@ the rest    And, yes, the chart means a lot otherwise I would not have so many responses from conservative posters trying to come up with baseless reasons

 

No where did he claim such a thing...

He quite certainly did a lot. You must not have been paying attention. I would look for a transcript or youtube, but I feel know need to waste my time proving things to people that are not open minded that do not accept anything that goes against what they like to believe.

 

 

@ the rest    And, yes, the chart means a lot otherwise I would not have so many responses from conservative posters trying to come up with baseless reasons the data means nothing. It is an opinion poll, Romney does not need to be President before non-Americans can make a decision about him.