You can twist my words but my stance was always that kinect was for casuals first with core being a secondary objective

That didn't disrpove anything. I stand by my stance that 360 has the content and MS has the marketing to back it up. You just seem to think its purely marketing when in reality, the long term success of any product depends on actual quality.

Sounds like your jealous that MS likes putting flash into its campaigns where as Sony shops at the thrift store by comparison. I am 100% positive you would just love it if Sony made a Forward Unto Dawn movie for Uncharted, or shut down times square for GT5. You would just love to get caught up in the hype Sony generates. But you cant. You rely on pure forum word of mouth with Sony doing the bare minimum. And here you are looking across to see the other camp relishing in their hype trains that MS is all too happy to supply.

lol its so simple. You have marketing envy. My God has more money then your God :P

Im trying to prove a point to you, this isn't jealousy. I am impressed with Microsofts marketing and with the amount of effort they put into selling less than a handleful  of games. Sony makes so many games it is no wonder they cannot afford to market them properly. Sony has made more IP's and they will continue to have far more than Microsoft before the gen is over. They took too many risks with their console. I respect a game company that makes games, that is all, so dont turn this into a fanboy war. I dont care if you love Microsoft, I put my trust in Sony because they always deliver for the gamer. If they were to die I would be saddened because of the lack of games that would come out because of their absence but I would move on. Its not like Microsoft will keep the core tithed over as they only have been coming out with one to two core titles every year for the last three years. Wherever the games go I go. As far as Sony  goes, they werent as social as they could've been. I mean seriously, if you go to the Xbox facebook they never show games, they only show celebrity events with the same Kinect games every day.

Kinect is a failure for people like us because the whole "Kinect for the core" campaign that Microsoft was blabbing about was a failure. Sony knew the tech couldn't work, Microsoft probably knew but still sold it. They will need a peripheral like the Sony Move and you're making this arguement go in circles. The Kinect is not capable enough to play core games without following Sonys lead. Any multi-billion dollar corporation that has a monopoly on the PC os market can close down Time Square and pay for as much market saturation as possible. As I said Microsoft was a success with casuals, but not everyone is using it as their media hub. Eventually most will just go back to their remote controls unless they are playing Dance Central. When it comes to concrete content for games Sony will always have more. Concrete, as in proof, tangible, something that can be touched which is why I have so much to play between my PS3 and my Xbox 360. The only game I left to play on my 360 is Halo 4, thats it....ive been waiting months just for that and then one more game next year. You act like you dont know American consumerism and why there is so much A.D.D. in this country, because of the amount of market saturation and commercialism that exists at such a fast pace.

Anything that wins over the casuals is a market success. Microsoft did just that. The Playstation right now is truly the console of the core and that doesnt bother me none at all because thats how its always been.

Doesnt change that long term success of any product is from its own quality, where marketing can only take you so far.

I stand by that kinect was meant for casuals and media hub objectives first, with core second in mind. As far as I see, the 1st objective was completed. Again, saying Sony knew the tech wouldnt work is irrelevant as they clearly have no idea what they are even doing anymore.

Sony has more, but based on the sales stats I showed previously....there is no point having more if the gamers dont care. Only catering to the vocal fans like yourself are a waste of resources. 360 has more if you include XBLA but lets not go there again.

Halo 4......"thats it" or so you claim.....is bigger then every PS3 exclusive in 2012 combined and has the quality to back it up. That is impressive for Halo 4 and sad for PS3. You also imply that you only play exclusives.....360 is well known and liked for its multiplats.

360 has more quality, quantity, and mega marketed blockbusters then PS3 in 2012.

Sony has more exclusive titles rated over 80, dont make this a quality battle because its a lost one. They make more, take more risks and have more franchises. 

The media hub objective of Kinect is secondary, I've used it, it's nice but eventually the majority will just go back to the controller.

Sony has more, but extremely small marketing behind these games. Microsoft has expressed how hard it is to make a great successfu l game as Forza, Halo and Fable are the only games they made which survived into this gen. Most of their other games left a lot of be desired. Luckily they are thinking like Sony, building teams based on allstar talent. Luckily Sony can do both, they can acquire devs and have great long lasting relationships with them and create companies from the ground up like Superbot just recently or the Suckerpunch dev acquisition which people have been waiting for quite a while. The only titles or products that are exclusive to the 360 that has truly caught hold of a following is Gears and XBLA. Microsoft needs to just buy the Gears IP already, but I doubt Epic will sell it to them, because they could keep taking money from Microsoft.

I dont care how big Halo 4 is, if you're playing one game, that shows what type of gamer you are. I will be playing that, but there are other games out this year. Both consoles are known and liked for their multiplats, thats why they are called multiplats. 

Whether the 360 has more quality is subjective to you, they dont span as many genres and are locked down to three major titles in Halo, Forza and one last Gears game for the rest of this gen. When you experiment like Sony you aren't locked down to having just a couple quality games, you can have many in various genres. You and everyone else out there knows it, but if Sony had a major shooter with mass appeal they would have Microsofts number.

Ok this has run its course but Ill just rebuttle with this:

1st: The word Exclusive sweeps 360 multiplats not on PS3 under the rug. 360 has more 70-79, 80-89, 90+ metacritic games. Superior Library wins out over just exclusives anyday.

2nd: Pure speculation on your part. Not if MS keeps pushing Kinect, which they are and have every intention to do so next gen. Itll only keep gaining momentum as a media hub controller.

3rd: I play multiplats, XBLA games, and the big exclusives. Why do people like you assume that were just playing Halo 4? I said Halo 4 is the biggest 360 game....that doesnt imply thats all 360 has. 360 actually has more 70-79, 80-89, 90+ games not on ps3 this year.....AND Halo 4. Fact is itll smash everything PS3 brought to the table this year AND 360 has more games on top of that. Win win.

4th: You always seem to be downplaying XBLA because it isnt a full sized retail game. Quality is quality regardless of the file size. XBLA gives 360 the quantity and quality and a variety of genres....but oh ya, PS3 gamers dont consider them games....right? Because to acknowledge XBLA is to acknowledge that 360 has better games and we cant have that now can we.....

5th: Sony will never have the creativity and talent, and marketing to pull that off. They had their shot with Resistance, Killzone, and indirectly with Dust514. None came close and it aint gonna happen.

1. You're boasting about the quality of the exclusives and now you want to make this a quanitity argument, sure but those games are mostly multiplats including PC. When you put the 360 and PS3 head to head in exclusives the PS3 wins in above 80 exclusives. 

2. Is it pure speculation on my part that most things that are gained from the casuals are generally thrown away for the next novelty? It's pretty much known. The Wii sold the most consoles and yet was the least used. If Microsoft plans on making casuals stick with the Xbox 360 by making it the house cable box then so be it, but the majority of people who fork out $60 for Xbox Live for the all around family purpose will be Xbox gamers whether moderate or hardcore.

3. Here is where I am correcting you. You boast about one game, and yes the 360's top exclusives come in small quantities within each year and it dwindles (as you've noticed). The PS3 has lists of games every year on the core end and in many other genres. Theres more ways to have fun on the PS3 being that I own both all Microsoft has offered me is Halo and the Witcher 2 . XBLA was ok and I played Deadlight, not that great but then again those things dont matter to me. I got Unfinished Swan and Journey on PSN but again, small games that only affect me so much.

4. Microsoft and Sony both do it, but I still dont care. Its fun to play but I move on to the bigger games where the fuller more robust retail action is happening. Quality is quality and that was never my argument, but its irrelevant. Microsoft is covering up for low development. Sony is doing the same as Microsoft with PSN so whats the point in boasting about XBLA?

5. Only a truly and foolishly blind person says never. Halo was indirect in its development as it wasnt even being made for Microsoft, until Microsoft purchased bungie so I dont see what the problem is. Smart job for Microsoft buying them and dumb on Steve Jobs part for not buying bungie so Halo could've ushered in a fleet for Apple. Regardless, a Dust 415 looks great. Just get over yourself and understand whether you like Sony or not that the only genre they need to get on par with the competition with is an FPS. I personally love Killzone, but it isnt for everyone. Have I ever stated that Microsoft will never have the talent to make a great game in any genre ?(like you?) no, because I am not foolish enough to make a blind statement like that and no one can predict the future. I stated that based on Microsofts track record they are not invested in everything. Your statements prove one thing and that you're loyal to Microsoft and biased to Sony. 

Proof is in the pudding, "Fable Journeys will shut the critics up" sound familar.  Why say that unless you felt that the Kinect could do a core game? Whether the casuals were the priority (which i agree with) is irrelevant.

I did feel Kinect could do a core game well. But that doesnt mean it was Kinects primary function. Color me hopeful that Kinect could do another core title outside The Gunstringer, no more. I know what Kinect was really made for.

my 2 good friends STAGE and Sales. good stuff guys. keep the facts coming.

move, eyetoy eyecamera, and Kinect eyetoy/camra ripoff, and whtever else you want to call it, all od then failed to live up to thier hype.

wht significant hardcore games were worth the purchase of a Kinect? move had some hardcore games yet only 2 were worth the purhcase. kinect is only good for its multi-media uses.

Wii did motion controls best end of story.