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happydolphin said:

Pavo: Right!

DanneSandin said:
happyD isn't saying that Nintendo should stop doing what they're doing. He's saying "do this as well". It's not that hard to understand. This gen Nintendo did Xenoblade "as well", next gen they're doing Bayonetta 2 "as well". And we love them for it!!

Do cinematic games as well Nintendo. If there were an Uncharted game for Wii/WiiU I'd so get it! As it is now I gotta get me a PS3 as well. And that's nothing I, as a Nintendo costumer, should do "as well";getting a 2nd console. Nintendo should give me these game experiences "as well" so that I might support the competition.

Yes, there is 3rd party games like this. The new Tomb Raider looks awesome! But is it coming for the WiiU? No! So that's ANOTHER reason for me to get PS3 "as well".

Folks, do you understand what we're saying?

Finally someone gets it!!

They are a manufacturer after all, they should cater to all segments.

You should copy that and put it in the OP so ppl gets it ;) or just give them a link to that this post cuz ppl ain't gonna read it elseway :P I got it as soon as I read it. HOWEVER, I don't understand what everyone else reads...



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DanneSandin said:

You should copy that and put it in the OP so ppl gets it ;) or just give them a link to that this post cuz ppl ain't gonna read it elseway :P I got it as soon as I read it. HOWEVER, I don't understand what everyone else reads...

Not sure tbh. What they want to?

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happydolphin said:
DanneSandin said:

You should copy that and put it in the OP so ppl gets it ;) or just give them a link to that this post cuz ppl ain't gonna read it elseway :P I got it as soon as I read it. HOWEVER, I don't understand what everyone else reads...

Not sure tbh. What they want to?

Didn't quite understand what you were saying... I think I was unspecific when I said "they" :P link that post to everyone sayinf"Nintendo is fine being d00med without copying Sony" ;)



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happydolphin said:
gigaSheik said:
Nintendo should copy Sony...
...and sell less consoles and portables. Great idea!

Last time I checked video game making came before money making. Some people wanted to actually entertain an audience you know. And of course make money too.

If these games can satisfy a business need by catering to an audience and increase Nintendo's portfolio, it not only makes creative sense, but also business sense since, if Nintendo offers it too, why buy another console?

Keep in mind, I'm saying that the Sony games give me an experience I rarely find on another console. Until Nintendo offers me that, I need to get a Sony console. Some people will not bother buying a Nintendo console also because of that.


Unfortunately Sony vision of the videogame market made the PS3 a pale shadow of the original PS and PS2 and let's not even talk about the portable market. When you go from first two generations straight to third and your portables are a far last place, something is wrong. Far more logical for Sony to try and emulate Nintendo (Move) than the other way around.



happydolphin said:

Pavo: Right!

DanneSandin said:
happyD isn't saying that Nintendo should stop doing what they're doing. He's saying "do this as well". It's not that hard to understand. This gen Nintendo did Xenoblade "as well", next gen they're doing Bayonetta 2 "as well". And we love them for it!!

Do cinematic games as well Nintendo. If there were an Uncharted game for Wii/WiiU I'd so get it! As it is now I gotta get me a PS3 as well. And that's nothing I, as a Nintendo costumer, should do "as well";getting a 2nd console. Nintendo should give me these game experiences "as well" so that I might support the competition.

Yes, there is 3rd party games like this. The new Tomb Raider looks awesome! But is it coming for the WiiU? No! So that's ANOTHER reason for me to get PS3 "as well".

Folks, do you understand what we're saying?

Finally someone gets it!!

They are a manufacturer after all, they should cater to all segments.

Ok. So the OP suggest Nintendo to try to "copy" Sony cattering to that segment with at least one attemp, not leave all their other games. Just devote 1 studio to try to make one cinematic game.

And then you ask for our thoughts about the lack of that attemp.

We for sure don't now, but have some clues: bussiness. Unfortunately (or not, or whatever) they simply don't want to try in that segment. I guess that they prefer to give those resources to other projects or other dead IP's (like Kid Icarus or Punch Out!). Maybe they'll try some more western-cinematic in the future, or try to partner with other studio, or simply attract third parties to do that.

As far as I understand, this last one option is the one they want. So they can continue making what they are doing: Mario/Zelda/Smash and maybe bring from death some of their old IP's, while making more Wii Fits and Wii Sports.



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Mr Khan said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:
Given that Nintendo is one of the few high-end developers that remains concerned with something other than "art," this would be a terrible idea.

Can you expand upon this comment further please, I'm interested. At the moment it doesn't make much sense. 

Also in response to Jay's comment

I should have added that the pursuit of technical beauty for its own sake, or the idea that games are primarily vehicles for stories (which is not to say that i believe games can't tell stories, but the story should always be a by-product of how the game is played).

Another way of interpreting my use of "art" would be developers that pursue their personal vision.

Of course, even Nintendo sometimes veers off into "art" games (see Metroid: Other M), but the results usually shock them back into doing things properly.

So your issues are with 

1.the pursuit of technical beauty for its own sake

2.the idea that games are primarily vehicles for stories 

3.developers that pursue their personal vision.

Are you implying that Sony is concerned with nothing other than these three traits, as per your original comment? I realise you said quite ambiguously "one of the few high-end developers" but this is undoubtedly a thread about Sony and Nintendo so I assume that's why you posted it in the first place. I ask this because I think it's a comment easily dismissed by looking at their first party game library. 

Also may I ask why you would have an issue with the pursuit of "technical beauty" for its own sake? Unless you have some crazy outlier philosophy regarding beauty I'd like to hear about...why would you take issue with the pursuit of creating something beautiful? 



I think the difference between the two ISNT the quality of the games but the type of games. Core nintendo games this generation arent really any different from core nintendo games last generation (other than the wii series though this has more to do with the wii itself and isnt really "core"). Maybe ,mario galaxy? People are excited for the games but they arent excited in the this-will-change-gaming-forever sort of way. I found it interesting that instead of trying for an innovative new game/IP of their own, that nintendo chose to get and develop Bayo 2. Im not criticising this as a bad move (its probably very smart of them and has created a lot of buzz) but its certainly not going to get people talking about the Wii U's features and direction the way a new game/IP would.

Whereas sony are trying to innovate and change and create new types of games - MAG, UC, Starhawk, Tearaway, HR, TLOU. So yes, I do think Nintendo should try and get some studios to come up with really innovative games - I know they have just come off a bad patch but they still have a ton of money and really there will no better way of attracting attention for the Wii U then by coming up with some new innovative game.



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I agree. Sony has shown that they can be and are equal to Nintendo this generation if not better than. Innovative features such as crossplay prove this and the implementatiion of this feature through quality new ips such as PASBR and the revival of a classic series(Sly Cooper) prove this. Add on to this great new upcoming content such as the Last Guardian and it is clear to see which company makes the more prestigious games. Sony has even proven their games can transcend the console realm and penetrate the handheld market with solid entries such as Resistance, Uncharted, and soon Killzone. Nintendo needs to innovate to remain relevant in the console market and they need to do so quickly.



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Pavolink said:
happydolphin said:

Pavo: Right!

DanneSandin said:
happyD isn't saying that Nintendo should stop doing what they're doing. He's saying "do this as well". It's not that hard to understand. This gen Nintendo did Xenoblade "as well", next gen they're doing Bayonetta 2 "as well". And we love them for it!!

Do cinematic games as well Nintendo. If there were an Uncharted game for Wii/WiiU I'd so get it! As it is now I gotta get me a PS3 as well. And that's nothing I, as a Nintendo costumer, should do "as well";getting a 2nd console. Nintendo should give me these game experiences "as well" so that I might support the competition.

Yes, there is 3rd party games like this. The new Tomb Raider looks awesome! But is it coming for the WiiU? No! So that's ANOTHER reason for me to get PS3 "as well".

Folks, do you understand what we're saying?

Finally someone gets it!!

They are a manufacturer after all, they should cater to all segments.

Ok. So the OP suggest Nintendo to try to "copy" Sony cattering to that segment with at least one attemp, not leave all their other games. Just devote 1 studio to try to make one cinematic game.

And then you ask for our thoughts about the lack of that attemp.

We for sure don't now, but have some clues: bussiness. Unfortunately (or not, or whatever) they simply don't want to try in that segment. I guess that they prefer to give those resources to other projects or other dead IP's (like Kid Icarus or Punch Out!). Maybe they'll try some more western-cinematic in the future, or try to partner with other studio, or simply attract third parties to do that.

As far as I understand, this last one option is the one they want. So they can continue making what they are doing: Mario/Zelda/Smash and maybe bring from death some of their old IP's, while making more Wii Fits and Wii Sports.

Problem is that their business model means I need to get a PS3 to get thiese gaming experiense, and as a console maker Nintendo really should cater to everyone and all tastes. I obviously not alone in wanting something like this. How many here has ONLY got a Wii?

They shouldn't stop doing what they're doing, just add some.



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After playing Metroid: Other M, I would prefer that Nintendo stay as far away from cinematic games as possible. Let them do what they're good at and Sony do what they're good at. When Sony tries to be Nintendo it doesn't work well either.



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