d21lewis said:
Okay. We're done here. |
Do you know what lol means? If you did then you should have read that part after it. Ill break it down for you, i was saying if anything the PS2 should have done better with all the support it recieved.
d21lewis said:
And stop laughing out loud. You're creeping me out. |
So its official you dont know what longevity is, if you did then you should understand releasing in a different country is not longevity since it hasnt been released in that country. I dont care about it having more sales, good job ps2. If you did better your successor wouldnt have flopped and your company wouldnt be in dire need of money.
P.S. You just confirmed the Wii has the highest selling console game of all time, since sony could have done the same thing.
CGI-Quality said:
At least we agree that my PS2 is precious (though I'd say the same for any of my consoles that I worked hard to own - which would nearly be all of them). :P All seriousness, many said the Wii got lucky (which I'm inclined to agree, ever so slightly), but I'd be crazy to down-play what it accomplished this gen and where it put Nintendo. I see a similar situation with the PS2 (though hardly anyone would argue that Sony royally f*ed up with its younger sibling). As for explanations, there isn't a need to go back over what many have reasonably tried to explain to you. In fact, one has to wonder why you created a thread seeking opinions and then battle every single person who's differs from yours, claiming all who disagree are wrong. Makes no sense. |
What have they tried to explain? You guys have explained nothing and have provided no proof but high sells this and high sells that. The games that sold well came from hardcore games, so no what you have done is continued to fail, maybe because its time to accept it didnt do shit for the casuals. Eye toy should have done much better and yes obviously i like to argue.
Since you like to argue and I'm bored, I came back.
You say that sales don't seem to matter. So that throws that whole side of things out of the window. Nintendo's amazing sales, the phenomenal sales of Wii Sports, Mario Kart, NSMB Wii, etc. Doesn't matter because guys like you and I don't care about "Sales this and high sales that". Glad we've established that little rule.
So, with sales out of the equation, tell me what genres the PS2 didn't have covered? Maybe the Wii catered to casuals better than the PS2 (and the totally unique new interface didn't hurt things, either). The PS2 catered to the hardcore, the graphics whore, the online gamer, the sports fan, etc. better than the Wii, right? So if the PS2 wasn't for everybody......maybe the Wii wasn't for everybody. It got this new audience but many feel that the new audience won't stick around.
Another thing to consider (as I'm replying to a lot of things you've posted and they're all just smooshed together in my head right now): You talk about the dismal performance of the PS3 following the stellar performance of the PS2. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the PS3's lackluster performance. What if Nintendo launches a new platform called the Wii U and it fails to match the Wii's success? Will that suddenly make the Wii a failure lol?
phenom08 said:
no it wasnt |
I don't think you understood my original post. Yes, it was.
I cant be arsed quoting all that on my phone, so Ill reply here.
"I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all."
The PS2 is far from a failure.
"1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything"
Big selling games dont mean much, if they dont expand your library with other 10, 5, 3, 2, 1 Million sellers.
"2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol?It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together."
Ots impossible to define a casual game, so you go at a genre. A genre that can be enjoyed by any and all ages. Eg, Sports. I posted proof that the PS2 did match the Wii in certain genres, sometimes beating the Wii. It did that AND had substantiak support for non-casuals too.
Youbdont understand that despite Wii Sports, Mario, Wii Fit, etc. all selling 20m+ the PS2 still had a richer SW market. The PS2 didnt need a 20 Million selling party game, for other games to sell multi-million copies.
3. Try again
| phenom08 said: Seems like everyday I see post saying the PS2 was for everyone and how all Ninty did was take the casual market from Sony. I have a question though, what proof do we have of how well the PS2 did with the casuals? I honestly dont it, the PS2's casual games did horrible (compared to the Wii's atleast) and hardcore games sold 10 times as much. Wii games have sold as much as CoD on both 360 and PS3 combined. What proof do we have of part of the PS2's base being casual when majority of its casual games did horrible? Honestly I think people are confusing the PS2's incredible sells with casual appeal. What the PS2 really looks like is a combination of the 360 and PS3 with alittle Wii thrown in. Its other factors are being successful in Japan, and being released in many more countries than the other platforms. The PS2 surely wasnt for everyone(maybe all types of core gamers) and surely didnt reach the userbase the Wii did. |
I disagree. PS2 was "for everyone" it's just that only a small segment of "everyone" got into PS2.
Singstar, Eyetoy and the Buzz series of games were very explicitly targetted at casuals and kids. So PS2 addressed the full spectrum of the gaming market, ergo it was "for everyone".
Wii was more successful at attracting the "casual" and fitness market, but that doesn't mean PS2 didn't cater to that market. What you are confusing is what Sony put on offer with whether very many people took what Sony offered.
There can be no debate that Sony put in a concerted effort go after that expanded market. But they only met with mild success, and they promptly lost it by having the way more expensive offering to a market that doesn't care about gfx or blu-ray in addition to not having anything to offer the fitness segment out of the gate. The had Singstar and Buzz early on so they did keep the casuals in the picture from the beginning of PS3.
We've had hours of play time with Singstar and Buzz with friends who are total non-gamers both on PS2 and PS3. But none of them has seen fit to buy PS2 or PS3 for themselves (or Wii for that matter) as they are happy to just play when they come here.
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| d21lewis said: It's okay, guys. We killed him. Now, let's party! |
No not really, i just have a life. Anyways no you havent proved a thing. Carl just proved the Wii targeted everyone as well and so did the poster after him so i guess yal are right after all. The PS2 was for everyone and so was the Wii. Case closed i guess and thanks for helping me prove the Wii was for everyone as well.
| Carl2291 said: I cant be arsed quoting all that on my phone, so Ill reply here. "I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all." The PS2 is far from a failure. "1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything" Big selling games dont mean much, if they dont expand your library with other 10, 5, 3, 2, 1 Million sellers. "2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol?It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together." Ots impossible to define a casual game, so you go at a genre. A genre that can be enjoyed by any and all ages. Eg, Sports. I posted proof that the PS2 did match the Wii in certain genres, sometimes beating the Wii. It did that AND had substantiak support for non-casuals too. Youbdont understand that despite Wii Sports, Mario, Wii Fit, etc. all selling 20m+ the PS2 still had a richer SW market. The PS2 didnt need a 20 Million selling party game, for other games to sell multi-million copies. 3. Try again |
1. the Wii had plenty of 10,5,3,2,1 million sellers so whats your point, you make it sound like the Wii only had 20 million sellers.
2. Here we agree and we can end it here. Since the Wii had that as well, it is for everyone as well. So thanks for playing and agreeing with the Wii and PS2 were for everyone. By the way i didnt create this thread to put the PS2 down, i created it to prove the Wii can be considered for everyone as well, it just didnt quite pull it off and neither did the PS2 although it definitely came the closes out of all.
3. You shouldnt be comparing genres lol and you know it. Actually name some highly successful casual games on the PS2. You cant because theyre are none. The PS2's sports genre is made up of core sports games lol, Madden and fifa say hello. The Wii's sports genre is made up of casual sports games, Wii sports and Wiisports resort say hello.
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