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phenom08 on 05 September 2012
Marks said:
phenom08 said:
Marks said:
phenom08 said:
Marks said:
Yes, it was.

no it wasnt


I don't think you understood my original post. Yes, it was.

I did no it wasn't.


You're just not getting it.

I get it, the PS2 sucked at appealling to the casuals.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 September 2012

Gamestop still credits the PS2 today with being a source of profit. The Wii cannot even breathe in its direction. That was a casual sales console (despite having a couple gems), period.



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gamestop still credits the PS2 today with being a source of profit. The Wii cannot even breathe in its direction. That was a casual sales console (despite having a couple gems), period.

No it wasnt a casual console, you Sony fans just cant accept it. Anyways good for Gamestop, how about the company that actually makes the damn thing, how have they been doing these last couple of years lol?



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all.

1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything

2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol? It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together.

3. Try again


1. Almost everyone was backing the Wii, but they couldn't capitalize on the new hardware. The majority of the games were utter crap shovelware. People today are still finding gems in the PS2 library that they've never touched.

2. You're lost. Sony had the casuals, the hardcore and the intermediate gamers. Essentially they had their hand in every social bracket in gaming and that is essentially the only generation where this was accomplished. I highly doubt that any console will have this success for a very long while.

3. You never made a proper argument against what he was saying.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gamestop still credits the PS2 today with being a source of profit. The Wii cannot even breathe in its direction. That was a casual sales console (despite having a couple gems), period.

No it wasnt a casual consold, you Sony fans just cant accept it. Anyways good for Gamestop, how about the company that actually makes the damn thing, how have they been doing these last couple of years lol?

I have to seriously beg to question the sanity of your post  if you believe a console can sell 150 M plus without strong casual backing (im talking a good 85% here as well). Think before you type. The core and intermediate gamers are not enough to back up the sales past 20-45 M combined. They are an extreme minority. Gamestop has reported that they are still selling PS2 used games. You know...the games Sony and third parties wont see a dime come back to them for?



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phenom08 on 05 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all.

1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything

2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol? It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together.

3. Try again


1. Almost everyone was backing the Wii, but they couldn't capitalize on the new hardware. The majority of the games were utter crap shovelware. People today are still finding gems in the PS2 library that they've never touched.

2. You're lost. Sony had the casuals, the hardcore and the intermediate gamers. Essentially they had their hand in every social bracket in gaming and that is essentially the only generation where this was accomplished. I highly doubt that any console will have this success for a very long while.

3. You never made a proper argument against what he was saying.

1. "Almost everyone was backing the Wii" I stopped reading after this.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all.

1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything

2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol? It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together.

3. Try again


1. Almost everyone was backing the Wii, but they couldn't capitalize on the new hardware. The majority of the games were utter crap shovelware. People today are still finding gems in the PS2 library that they've never touched.

2. You're lost. Sony had the casuals, the hardcore and the intermediate gamers. Essentially they had their hand in every social bracket in gaming and that is essentially the only generation where this was accomplished. I highly doubt that any console will have this success for a very long while.

3. You never made a proper argument against what he was saying.

1. "Almost everyone was backing the Wii" I stopped reading after this.


Outside of PC companies who didnt support the Wii then? Make your point. The Wii has more third party titles than the 360 and the PS3. 



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gamestop still credits the PS2 today with being a source of profit. The Wii cannot even breathe in its direction. That was a casual sales console (despite having a couple gems), period.

No it wasnt a casual consold, you Sony fans just cant accept it. Anyways good for Gamestop, how about the company that actually makes the damn thing, how have they been doing these last couple of years lol?

I have to seriously beg to question the sanity of your post  if you believe a console can sell 150 M plus without strong casual backing (im talking a good 85% here as well). Think before you type. The core and intermediate gamers are not enough to back up the sales past 20-45 M combined. They are an extreme minority. Gamestop has reported that they are still selling PS2 used games. You know...the games Sony and third parties wont see a dime come back to them for?

I have to seriously question the sanity of someone that thinks selling 150 million automatically believes it was backed by the casuals. Where are the fitness games, why didnt the dancing games do as well as Just Dance. The singing games didnt do that well either espicially with a userbase that massive. Maybe you should accept if you combine the 360(before Kinect) and PS3s userbases, well you pretty much have the PS2. Selling PS2 used games proves it has casual appeal lol, yea try again.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gamestop still credits the PS2 today with being a source of profit. The Wii cannot even breathe in its direction. That was a casual sales console (despite having a couple gems), period.

No it wasnt a casual consold, you Sony fans just cant accept it. Anyways good for Gamestop, how about the company that actually makes the damn thing, how have they been doing these last couple of years lol?

I have to seriously beg to question the sanity of your post  if you believe a console can sell 150 M plus without strong casual backing (im talking a good 85% here as well). Think before you type. The core and intermediate gamers are not enough to back up the sales past 20-45 M combined. They are an extreme minority. Gamestop has reported that they are still selling PS2 used games. You know...the games Sony and third parties wont see a dime come back to them for?

I have to seriously question the sanity of someone that thinks selling 150 million automatically believes it was backed by the casuals. Where are the fitness games, why didnt the dancing games do as well as Just Dance. The singing games didnt do that well either espicially with a userbase that massive. Maybe you should accept if you combine the 360(before Kinect) and PS3s userbases, well you pretty much have the PS2. Selling PS2 used games proves it has casual appeal lol, yea try again.


...Wtf are you talking about? Are you just typing just to type?



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all.

1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything

2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol? It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together.

3. Try again


1. Almost everyone was backing the Wii, but they couldn't capitalize on the new hardware. The majority of the games were utter crap shovelware. People today are still finding gems in the PS2 library that they've never touched.

2. You're lost. Sony had the casuals, the hardcore and the intermediate gamers. Essentially they had their hand in every social bracket in gaming and that is essentially the only generation where this was accomplished. I highly doubt that any console will have this success for a very long while.

3. You never made a proper argument against what he was saying.

1. "Almost everyone was backing the Wii" I stopped reading after this.


Outside of PC companies who didnt support the Wii then? Make your point. The Wii has more third party titles than the 360 and the PS3. 

Who didnt support the Wii isnt the question, the question is which franchises did the Wii recieve. You call support throwing the Wii a bunch of shovelware. Dont confuse this with me complaining, i pretty much only play Ninty games so i could careless about the shovelware but no thats not support. You are one of those same people that claim the Wii needs third party support and thats why it has fallen behind so stop just making stuff up. You and me both know the Wii didnt recieve anywhere near the support the PS3 or 360 did, let alone the PS2.