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phenom08 on 05 September 2012
binary solo said:
phenom08 said:

       Seems like everyday I see post saying the PS2 was for everyone and how all Ninty did was take the casual market from Sony. I have a question though, what proof do we have of how well the PS2 did with the casuals? I honestly dont it, the PS2's casual games did horrible (compared to the Wii's atleast) and hardcore games sold 10 times as much. Wii games have sold as much as CoD on both 360 and PS3 combined. What proof do we have of part of the PS2's base being casual when majority of its casual games did horrible?

       Honestly I think people are confusing the PS2's incredible sells with casual appeal. What the PS2 really looks like is a combination of the 360 and PS3 with alittle Wii thrown in. Its other factors are being successful in Japan, and being released in many more countries than the other platforms. The PS2 surely wasnt for everyone(maybe all types of core gamers) and surely didnt reach the userbase the Wii did.

I disagree. PS2 was "for everyone" it's just that only a small segment of "everyone" got into PS2.

Singstar, Eyetoy and the Buzz series of games were very explicitly targetted at casuals and kids. So PS2 addressed the full spectrum of the gaming market, ergo it was "for everyone".

Wii was more successful at attracting the "casual" and fitness market, but that doesn't mean PS2 didn't cater to that market. What you are confusing is what Sony put on offer with whether very many people took what Sony offered.

There can be no debate that Sony put in a concerted effort go after that expanded market. But they only met with mild success, and they promptly lost it by having the way more expensive offering to a market that doesn't care about gfx or blu-ray in addition to not having anything to offer the fitness segment out of the gate. The had Singstar and Buzz early on so they did keep the casuals in the picture from the beginning of PS3.

We've had hours of play time with Singstar and Buzz with friends who are total non-gamers both on PS2 and PS3. But none of them has seen fit to buy PS2 or PS3 for themselves (or Wii for that matter) as they are happy to just play when they come here.

Thank you for this post. This is where i was getting at, people say the Wii was targeted at casuals and couldnt grab everyone since they couldnt grab the core. Well actually the Wii did try to grab the core it was just met with mild success in the hardcore market. So since the PS2 can be considered for everyone since it attempted to grab the casuals, the Wii can as well since it attempted the core. Thanks.



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phenom08 on 05 September 2012
Marks said:
phenom08 said:
Marks said:
Yes, it was.

no it wasnt


I don't think you understood my original post. Yes, it was.

I did no it wasn't.



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
d21lewis said:
Since you like to argue and I'm bored, I came back.

You say that sales don't seem to matter. So that throws that whole side of things out of the window. Nintendo's amazing sales, the phenomenal sales of Wii Sports, Mario Kart, NSMB Wii, etc. Doesn't matter because guys like you and I don't care about "Sales this and high sales that". Glad we've established that little rule.

So, with sales out of the equation, tell me what genres the PS2 didn't have covered? Maybe the Wii catered to casuals better than the PS2 (and the totally unique new interface didn't hurt things, either). The PS2 catered to the hardcore, the graphics whore, the online gamer, the sports fan, etc. better than the Wii, right? So if the PS2 wasn't for everybody......maybe the Wii wasn't for everybody. It got this new audience but many feel that the new audience won't stick around.

Another thing to consider (as I'm replying to a lot of things you've posted and they're all just smooshed together in my head right now): You talk about the dismal performance of the PS3 following the stellar performance of the PS2. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the PS3's lackluster performance. What if Nintendo launches a new platform called the Wii U and it fails to match the Wii's success? Will that suddenly make the Wii a failure lol?

I never said sells dont matter, what i said was you guys claim the PS2 is for everyone because it sold so much, well the DS and Wii sold alot as well and you guys claim they didnt appeal to everyone. What im asking is what are these high selling casual games lol? You guys have yet to name any, because they dont exist, which means the PS2 did well with the core and didnt appeal to everyone. All those "different" gamers you named are all core so what was the point of that lol. My point is the PS2 didnt appeal to everyone and you agree so end of discussion. I never said the Wii did, thats just your butthurt coming out. Since im attacking the PS2, you want to attack the Wii. Genres mean nothing if those games are core lol. All the PS2 had was the core so thanks for helping me prove that. The rest of your post im going to ignore, the Wiiu wont flop as hard as the PS3 thats for sure.



Carl on 05 September 2012

Youre being impossible.

You just admitted that you cant really define a casual game, yet you tell me to name casual games.

Your heads gone.

GT3 sold 15 Million
GT4 sold 11 Million
NFS Underground games sold 7 Million
Crash Bandicoot sold 5 Million
Guitar Hero games sold 5 Million
Simpsons Hit n Run sold 5 Million
Spiderman sold 4 and half
EyeToy Play sold over 4 Million
Namco museum sold 4 Million
Tony Hawks games sold 3.5-4 Million
Sims games sold 3 Million

I could keep going, I could list more games in the ranges above, I could name hundreds of games that sold over a Million. All without FIFA and Madden.

By the way... Why dont FIFA and Madden do as well on Wii?






                            

Marks on 05 September 2012
phenom08 said:
Marks said:
phenom08 said:
Marks said:
Yes, it was.

no it wasnt


I don't think you understood my original post. Yes, it was.

I did no it wasn't.


You're just not getting it.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 05 September 2012

why has there been an influx of new extremely annoying users lately?



Augen on 05 September 2012

The staggering aspect to me is I still know people that are fine with their PS2 in 2012 and keep adding games to their library. I don't know if we'll ever see a system have such legs ever again as everyone already seems to be longing for next gen and none of them are out yet.



TeddostheFireKing on 05 September 2012
Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

You posted this a while ago Carl, but I think this post sums up the PS2. A God amongst men.



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
why has there been an influx of new extremely annoying users lately?

And why was this posted in this thread?



phenom08 on 05 September 2012
Carl2291 said:
Youre being impossible.

You just admitted that you cant really define a casual game, yet you tell me to name casual games.

Your heads gone.

GT3 sold 15 Million
GT4 sold 11 Million
NFS Underground games sold 7 Million
Crash Bandicoot sold 5 Million
Guitar Hero games sold 5 Million
Simpsons Hit n Run sold 5 Million
Spiderman sold 4 and half
EyeToy Play sold over 4 Million
Namco museum sold 4 Million
Tony Hawks games sold 3.5-4 Million
Sims games sold 3 Million

I could keep going, I could list more games in the ranges above, I could name hundreds of games that sold over a Million. All without FIFA and Madden.

By the way... Why dont FIFA and Madden do as well on Wii?

Im not being impossible im just proving when it comes to Sony fans they will quickly change the definition of something to meet their needs. When did GT become a casual game again? Like i said all you are doing is labeling a bunch of games that werent considered casual until the PS2 is asked to prove it appealed to the casuals. Also i dont get your "I could name hundreds of games that sold over a million. All without Fifa or Madden" part. I guessed you misinterpreted what I said. What i said was those so called casual sports games the PS2 sold were due to core appeal not casual appeal. You really think its casual gamers attending those midnight releases? Face the facts the PS2 did well by dominating the core and attempting the casual, which it did not succeed in. Fifa and Madden dont do well on Wii because they are core titles, why doesnt Just Dance do well on PS3 or 360?