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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 September 2012
phenom08 said:
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phenom08 said:
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phenom08 said:
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Carl2291 said:
Im sorry... What? The PS2 wasnt for everyone?

It had games of all genres for all ages. Its sold over 1.5 BILLION units of software, you think that was all for the "hardcore" crowd?

Looking at the top 100 selling games on PS2 I see Golf, Dancing, Sims, Football, WWE, Simpsons, EyeToy, Need for Speed, Crash Bandicoot, Madden...

Despite Wii Sports being bundled to hell... The top 200 PS2 games have sold 30 Million more than the top 200 Wii games. Another thing - The PS2 has 133 2 Million sellers. The Wii has 140 ONE MILLION sellers. The PS2 has 325(!!) ONE MILLION sellers.

To say the Wii had a more varied audience because some games sold 20-30+ Million is stupid, when the rest of the library is lagging far, far behind. Take a look at a "casual" genre - Sports. T

he Wii's top 200 sport games, including the 80 Million from Wii Sports - 267M.
The PS2s top 200 - 244M WITHOUT 65 Million bundled games. Next, lets take a look at a genre the Wii excels in.. Platformers.

The Wii has sold 80 Million platformers. Worth noting that over half of this number comes from 3 Mario games...
The PS2 has sold 77 Million platformers.

The Wii has sold 53 Million racing games.
The PS2 has sold over 157 Million racing games.

Party games really (misc, according to VGChartz) is the only genre where Wii destroyed the PS2. The Wii sold over 180 Million of them. 80 Million more than the PS2.

I could go into other genres. Fighters, Action, RPG, Shooters... But I really dont need to. The Wii numbers are pathetic in comparison, its pointless showing the 2 sets.

The PS2 matches the Wii in the "casual" market, and destroys it in the rest. The PS2s library pretty much destroys everything the videogame market's seen. Correct me if Im wrong, actually... But hasnt the PS2 sold more SW than the N64, Gamecube and Wii combined?

I could do exactly what you just did, but no need, you just proved the Ps2 is a failure lol and didnt prove it is for everyone at all.

1. the Ps2 had nearly every gaming company supporting them and yet the Wii still had more explosive sells with only ninty backing it. Ninty was able to do what sony and every 3rd party in the world did by themselves, that makes the Ps2 a failure if anything

2. How does it selling 1.5 billion games proof of casual gamers lol? It doesnt prove a thing, you named a bunch of games that arent even casual and added them all together.

3. Try again


1. Almost everyone was backing the Wii, but they couldn't capitalize on the new hardware. The majority of the games were utter crap shovelware. People today are still finding gems in the PS2 library that they've never touched.

2. You're lost. Sony had the casuals, the hardcore and the intermediate gamers. Essentially they had their hand in every social bracket in gaming and that is essentially the only generation where this was accomplished. I highly doubt that any console will have this success for a very long while.

3. You never made a proper argument against what he was saying.

1. "Almost everyone was backing the Wii" I stopped reading after this.


Outside of PC companies who didnt support the Wii then? Make your point. The Wii has more third party titles than the 360 and the PS3. 

Who didnt support the Wii isnt the question, the question is which franchises did the Wii recieve. You call support throwing the Wii a bunch of shovelware. Dont confuse this with me complaining, i pretty much only play Ninty games so i could careless about the shovelware but no thats not support. You are one of those same people that claim the Wii needs third party support and thats why it has fallen behind so stop just making stuff up. You and me both know the Wii didnt recieve anywhere near the support the PS3 or 360 did, let alone the PS2.


This is a post worthy of responding to and I am definitely with you in feeling like the third party support wasn't "Support" at all. Really and truly if you want to know what I think, the third parties saw the Wii as a gimmick and wanted to get a quick buck from it so they sold cheaply  made licensed titles for a quick buck on it. The majority of its major appeal would be in the west (including America) where it would achieve extremely high sales then drop off of the face of the earth. This in retrospect, I believe was their frame of mind. The PS2 had shovelware, but they at least respected the goals of Sony enough (much like they did with the consoles before that generation) to make proper games for the console. Also, the PS2 had region focused titles for the west and the east. It was about even back then, now all those eastern focused titles are primarily handheld. The Wii got support but the majority of it was just the wrong kind of support, sorry to say. 

I agree with most of your post but the part the Wii "dropped off the face of the Earth", this would come from a Sony fan. The Wii is outselling a newly released platform and is selling as well as the PS3 did in its beginnings so no, it hasnt dropped off the face of the Earth. It will next year when the WiiU kills it for good, but it has served its purpose and will still win this gen so who cares.


A newly released platform. Are you speaking of the Vita? Well...everyone knows why the Vita is failing:

1. Android/Iphone market

2. Lack of games

Anyway, The "dropped off the face of the earth" remark is based on any gimmick. It has extremely high sales, then it just drops without warning after the product has exhausted its novelty. The Wii's novelty wore thin, especially after the Kinect and the Move came out. The Vita's sales are the way they are relation to the Wii because essentially no one cares. Come the Wii's Launch the only people profiting off of the Wii will be Gamestop. Nintendo doesn't keep consoles going for a decade like Sony. They don't put the resources into it and I doubt they even want to. The Wii U is a tribute to my confusion with Nintendo whom is desperate now to gain the core that never latched onto the Wii by providing the games that technically couldn't become available on the Wii. In the case of most of those games it will be too late. The first year of the Wii U will be rough unless Nintendo can provide believable launch titles.

Also, I am not a Sony fanboy. I side wherever the games I like are. If I did I would've wasted time arguing with you over the validity of the Vita, Move and any other Sony products I didnt buy because they had no games.

I dont even want to waste my time responding to this, at the end of this gen the Wii will be crowned victorious so i dont care.


Its ignorance to ignore the fact that the Wii won, but its luster only lasted four years to the public in 2011 it's sales drop was huge. The PS2's value lasted seven years and continues to sell today solely in the used market. Whether the Wii will have that kind of luck, I highly doubt it because of the quality of the library being severely dependent on first party exclusives an an extremely slim list of third party titles. I would buy the Wii for its BC, but if the Wii U impresses me, I might just get that instead. In truth this is the worst generation I've ever seen. 



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phenom08 on 06 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Its ignorance to ignore the fact that the Wii won, but its luster only lasted four years to the public in 2011 it's sales drop was huge. The PS2's value lasted seven years and continues to sell today solely in the used market. Whether the Wii will have that kind of luck, I highly doubt it because of the quality of the library being severely dependent on first party exclusives an an extremely slim list of third party titles. I would buy the Wii for its BC, but if the Wii U impresses me, I might just get that instead. In truth this is the worst generation I've ever seen. 

Like i said im not even going to waste my time arguing with you and the mess you believe. Once again a Sony fan compares the Wii to the PS2 for no reason what so ever. I guess even Sony fans know the last successful Sony platform was the PS2.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 September 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Its ignorance to ignore the fact that the Wii won, but its luster only lasted four years to the public in 2011 it's sales drop was huge. The PS2's value lasted seven years and continues to sell today solely in the used market. Whether the Wii will have that kind of luck, I highly doubt it because of the quality of the library being severely dependent on first party exclusives an an extremely slim list of third party titles. I would buy the Wii for its BC, but if the Wii U impresses me, I might just get that instead. In truth this is the worst generation I've ever seen. 

Like i said im not even going to waste my time arguing with you and the mess you believe. Once again a Sony fan compares the Wii to the PS2 for no reason what so ever. I guess even Sony fans know the last successful Sony platform was the PS2.


....You're acting like this is a Nintendo thread. I'm only sticking to the subject. Nintendo was obviously brought up and the conversation got sidetracked. This isn't about the "mess" I believe. My prediction about the Wii U is as similar to what I believed would happen to the Vita and Move. A Lack of games will contribute to an issue. I really do hope the casuals eat up the new Mario game on the Wii U because it looks like an updated NSMB.



phenom08 on 06 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Its ignorance to ignore the fact that the Wii won, but its luster only lasted four years to the public in 2011 it's sales drop was huge. The PS2's value lasted seven years and continues to sell today solely in the used market. Whether the Wii will have that kind of luck, I highly doubt it because of the quality of the library being severely dependent on first party exclusives an an extremely slim list of third party titles. I would buy the Wii for its BC, but if the Wii U impresses me, I might just get that instead. In truth this is the worst generation I've ever seen. 

Like i said im not even going to waste my time arguing with you and the mess you believe. Once again a Sony fan compares the Wii to the PS2 for no reason what so ever. I guess even Sony fans know the last successful Sony platform was the PS2.


....You're acting like this is a Nintendo thread. I'm only sticking to the subject. Nintendo was obviously brought up and the conversation got sidetracked. This isn't about the "mess" I believe. My prediction about the Wii U is as similar to what I believed would happen to the Vita and Move. A Lack of games will contribute to an issue. I really do hope the casuals eat up the new Mario game on the Wii U because it looks like an updated NSMB.

You had no reason to compare them and you know it. You werent sticking to the subject because me and you were talking about the Wii and its third party support. You then saw your chance to brag more about the PS2 by stating how great you think the PS2 is. Like i said Sony fans have nothing else to brag about.



Jicale on 06 September 2012

According to Wiki the PS2 has 2016 games. Im pretty sure in this list there is a game for everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games

For reference here is a list of Wii's games (keep in mind its updated as more come out...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games



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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 September 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Its ignorance to ignore the fact that the Wii won, but its luster only lasted four years to the public in 2011 it's sales drop was huge. The PS2's value lasted seven years and continues to sell today solely in the used market. Whether the Wii will have that kind of luck, I highly doubt it because of the quality of the library being severely dependent on first party exclusives an an extremely slim list of third party titles. I would buy the Wii for its BC, but if the Wii U impresses me, I might just get that instead. In truth this is the worst generation I've ever seen. 

Like i said im not even going to waste my time arguing with you and the mess you believe. Once again a Sony fan compares the Wii to the PS2 for no reason what so ever. I guess even Sony fans know the last successful Sony platform was the PS2.


....You're acting like this is a Nintendo thread. I'm only sticking to the subject. Nintendo was obviously brought up and the conversation got sidetracked. This isn't about the "mess" I believe. My prediction about the Wii U is as similar to what I believed would happen to the Vita and Move. A Lack of games will contribute to an issue. I really do hope the casuals eat up the new Mario game on the Wii U because it looks like an updated NSMB.

You had no reason to compare them and you know it. You werent sticking to the subject because me and you were talking about the Wii and its third party support. You then saw your chance to brag more about the PS2 by stating how great you think the PS2 is. Like i said Sony fans have nothing else to brag about.


Are you trolling me in your own thread?

  "Seems like everyday I see post saying the PS2 was for everyone and how all Ninty did was take the casual market from Sony. I have a question though, what proof do we have of how well the PS2 did with the casuals? I honestly dont it, the PS2's casual games did horrible (compared to the Wii's atleast) and hardcore games sold 10 times as much. Wii games have sold as much as CoD on both 360 and PS3 combined. What proof do we have of part of the PS2's base being casual when majority of its casual games did horrible?"

Dont accuse me of something you did. I am just sticking to your topic.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 September 2012
Immortal said:
No, I think that casual titles did well enough on PS2. The thing, though, is that the Wii had some casual titles that sold truckloads, while the PS2 had truckloads of titles that sold some puny amount.
The motto of Playstation consoles in general and especially the PS2 is "quantity over quality". (By quality, I mean sales appeal or whatever you want to call it and not actual "quality".) The PS2 sold tons of casual games that probably went under the radar individually, but collectively made for a huge amount of software sales.
Obviously, though, your argument has some merit as a lot of Wii's casual audience was new to gaming this generation and most of them weren't by any means "inherited" from the PS2.


I highly doubt Sonys motto is quantity over quality. I think they believe quality and quantity go hand-in-hand the way their internal unit deals with games.



Carl on 06 September 2012

Im done trying to convince him. Its like he's sat there, fingers in his ears just saying "lalalalalalala".

Phenom. Youre lost. Its time for you to convince me that the PS2 wasnt for everyone. At the same time, you can try to convince me that the Wii is for everyone.

Instead of trying (and failing) to argue against other people, its time for you to put your point forward in a way other than "Because I said so!".



                            

d21lewis on 06 September 2012
phenom08 said:
d21lewis said:
Somewhere in this thread, the OP called me butthurt over the PS2. The thing is, Nintendo is my absolute favorite gaming company and Sony is my least favorite. Unlike the OP, I'm able to love a developer and still acknowledge when the commpetition does ssomething well and when my company of choice does something wrong.

This is the internet buddy, i could make things up to.

What did I make up?



phenom08 on 06 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Are you trolling me in your own thread?

  "Seems like everyday I see post saying the PS2 was for everyone and how all Ninty did was take the casual market from Sony. I have a question though, what proof do we have of how well the PS2 did with the casuals? I honestly dont it, the PS2's casual games did horrible (compared to the Wii's atleast) and hardcore games sold 10 times as much. Wii games have sold as much as CoD on both 360 and PS3 combined. What proof do we have of part of the PS2's base being casual when majority of its casual games did horrible?"

Dont accuse me of something you did. I am just sticking to your topic.

Except me and you weren't discussing my topic lol, we were discussing the Wii's third party support.