well from my perspective it was, just pointing out the hypocrisy bro

" 1. I've seen quite a few threads on here about that but don't have the time right now to look them up (both because of a crappy search feature here and little time in real life at the moment). I'm pretty sure Epic would put UE4 in all its glory on Wii U if they were able to...why would they want to lose revenue exactly? "

Before I say anything I will say one thing. You have no clue what your talking about and are basing your arguments on ignorance.

Epic could not put UE4 on Wii-U because they don't have a good partnership like they do with mircosoft(which good enogh to make gears of war) or sony which I believe they didn't even make a games for them just ports of Xbox360. Plus there could be thousands of reasons like personal reasons or that third party games get overshadowed by first party games of nintendo. Look like Lord of Castle 2 (whatever it's called by the Konami guy) he said he is not porting because wii-u has no fanbase yet. Oh wait ... must really mean wii-u is not powerful enough. Nope it means he doesn't think it will sell good. Your arguments are based on assumptions not facts. Hell the guy said it will be able to can be ported by others companies but not them. For example, Ubisoft did this with the Wii with Unreal engine 2.... epic said the same thing before about not porting themselves. How would you lose revenue if you don't port? You mean why not gain revenue? They could loss money if there game under sells on the wii-u thats why. People have gone on record and have said that THIRD PARTY DOESN"T SELL ON NINTENDO VERY THE PAST GENERATIONS gamebcube( a little) and wii.

3.Gabe Newell(PC LOVERS SHOULD KNOW HE IS CREDITABLE) ?Wii U seems to be a lot more powerful than the previous generation"

http://nintendoeverything.com/68124/valve-wii-u-appears-to-be-more-powerful-than-last-gen-fits-into-our-scalability/


Crytek CEO: Wii U hardware is "minimum on par with the current generation."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/354624/crytek-estimates-wii-u-is-minimum-as-powerful-as-xbox-360/


Gearbox: Wii U is a true next-gen console and will provide the best looking version of Aliens: Colonial Marines.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gearbox-best-looking-version-of-aliens-on-wii-u-best-controller-from-nintendo

"How are we suppose to know it's not a little bit better"

Because we can READ non anoymous creditable people.

WHY CAN"T SONY FANS READ.

It's not a question is it more powerful or close it's way more powerful.

Do you realize all textalation support makes the way more powerful ? What about it using direct 10.5/11 this in itself makes the xbox look like crap in comparision?

What is wrong with you people how can you seriously think it's going to be on par?

Who said zombie U looks like 2005 game? WOW look at the newest trailer it has lighting the ps3 and xbox wish can do.

And you if you seriously think it looks like a 2005 game get off this forum because we all know you know nothing of which you speak. 2005 games look like freaking wii games currently. Zombie is techinally way better than the xbox. And I'm starting to see some direct 11 in the game from what I'm seeing fromt the background it could be direct x 10 though but it is still miles better than direct x 10.

What are you guys smoking to actually believe this will not be way better than ps3/xbox360?

Radeon 4750-4850 which some say now currently may be even stronger like 6770 series(could be). But if it's 4750 the lowest it still out preforms the ps3 by a milestone. 

The reason why btw the Watchdogs isn't on the Wii-U yet is because of two things. One they worked on it before getting the wii-u. Two ,Plan releasing it on the Wii-U later and will tell us soon.

Yup, that's your forte. Oddly enough you never do it to Sony fans. Hypocrisy? Yes, you're fantastic at it.

point me to the last post made by a sony fan personally attacking someone, by all means i'll comment on it

edit : i'll be patiently waiting for your reply

i just take for an example pikmin3 it runs 720p at 60frames and its a first generation game...x360 games looked like that 3,4 years after their release...so yes it should be a nice gap between this and nexgen consoles but still we dont now how thats going to look like...and i think only AAA titles will look like true next gen games but after 3 years of the NG consoles cycle...so this is what i think is nintendos plan to make a console that is on par in graphics within 3 years of the NG so that people shouldnt notice to much of a difference and get used to it.

iwata stated we cannot promise we will forever have 3rd party support on AAA titles(something like that) :D

@irl. ok. That's something I can relate to.

@italics. It has not as much to do with revenue as it does philosophy and direction. Epic will not support Nintendo's vision, as they are diammetrically opposed. Epic is pushing for cutting edge, Nintendo is pushing for balance between ROI and hardware capabilities. And, since UE3 got ported to the Wii by Ubisoft (I learnt this from hirisu), there is a case where Epic didn't take it into their hands. It just isn't a priority to them, revenue or not.

@bold. Of course you wouldn't, it's a Nintendo console. However, that wouldn't suddenly cause Xenoblade, and some of the best Wii games to dissappear when comparing the two platforms. The Wii is basically a beefed up gamecube, and that means it was more powerful than the Xbox the screens and games we saw on the Wii this gen spoke for themselves. You wouldn't find MH Tri on the xbox as pretty as that, it's not possible. Libroex can give you better examples, since he's more experienced with that topic.

@signs. I'm talking about financial signs, Five hundred and Ninty Nine US dollars (that fiasco will not happen again), the Vita's good but not bleeding edge performance capabilities, Kinect 2 and Microsoft's streamlined approach to next gen, digital emphasis on gen 8 and Gaikai, the WiiU's educated guess of graphics capabilities, what we understand of what the WiiU will be. I'm actually basing my signs on educated guesses by other posters. Since the WiiU has "no info" as you put it, what are you basing your arguments off of? So your argument applies to yourself, only you don't have educated guesswork and analysis of most likely specs to work in your favor, I do. So I hold the longer end of the stick in the "signs" debate.

@watchdogs. That is amazing. I see alot of UE4 style capabilities, the smoke, the cape, the cans and dust, the infinite lights, the multiple shots of the street (bird's eye view multi-shot effect at the beginning), I see how amazing it is. And I believe the WiiU will be able to pull it off, with a bit of loss but nothing significant. If watchdogs is what impresses you, then I believe the WiiU can pull that off by the time the next two consoles are ending their 1st year and devs have more experience with it. By the way that game is made in my home town, I am so proud. Regardless, I do see the WiiU capable of it only to a lesser extent, but nothing that will fully strip the experience like was the case with the Wii. That's my opinion and educated guess on the matter, given what I've read this far. I'm going to bookmark this to either eat crow or serve it to you in the future :)

I remember the difference one year made for the 360 to truly start 'flexing its muscles'.

November 2005 -- Kameo was a pretty looking game

November 2006 -- jaw dropped when I saw the first Gears of War

So, I hope the same will happen here with the Wii U...Pikmin 3/Zombi U look nice, but nothing to be amazed at for someone who´s been playing on HD consoles for years.

By December 2013, I hope the system starts 'flexing its muscles' and starts wiping the floor with 360 and PS3, and who better to do it than Retro?..expecting great things from them.

I have a few I just don't want to post them, I'm not sure where you will take this. Anyways just to shove it in your face.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4545281

You don't need to comment on it, you just need to stop being on the case of Nintendo fans and actually be productive in life.

Aaaaaand we're going to get back on topic.

If you guys really have issues with each other, take it to PM/AIM/Whatever... I don't want to see it here, derailing this thread (or any thread for that matter).

Pezus if you actually read  you would see later on I said that it will not only be on par but way more powerful. This is what happens when people don't read they just stop where they don't even get context.

"because I do and because you "

Translation I know what I'm saying because I'm right because I'm right.

Oh and those quotes from you never came from you right? Just quoting air I guess?

You keep a firm position on your post that you believe "mostly" that the wii-u is a little bit/ or close to par with current generation. If I have to find all your quotes to prove this then I will. 

This has nothing to do with you personally you just don't know what your talking about. Just claiming you do without a counterargument isn't going to work to show you do. I been watching your comments and you make a lot of mistakes. If I have to make a long list of your arguments and repeat what I said in my last post then ok.

Don't side-step address the points because playing DON'T ARGUE(playing defensive) WITH ME BECAUSE I'M RIGHT. Isn't going to work here.